Aidan,

I find global warming/climate change deniers as abhorrent as Holocaust deniers.

These sickos depend on having knowledgeable people engage with them in discussions because it affords them an opportunity to spread their web of lies and deceit.

They try to win arguments by trickery.

I think the best thing to do is just ignore them, but without turning a blind eye to them and be ready to name and shame them at every opportunity.

The world will be a much better place when there is no room in it for their kind.

Dear Hasbeen,

Windfarms built without subsidy?

Goodness me you are shamelessly hypocritical aren't you. Virtually all of the coal fired power stations were built almost exclusively with public funds. Sure some have been sold off increasing electricity prices but you name a single one that was commissioned without subsidies.

As to Global Warming Truth you wouldn't know about truth if it hit you smack in the face. For you to be inviting us to read anything by Roger Tattersall is proof enough. The bloke is a whack job of the highest order and is among the few of diehard deniers who seem to be circling their wagons into smaller and smaller circles. Don't you have anyone the least bit more credible?

I see SR has now joined Mr O in demeaning the messenger.

I'm waiting 50 years when we have exhausted all lithium and aluminium and copper, and the third World is still burning wood and dung to cook and keep warm. The only alternative will be coal and gas, of which we have plenty of.

There is a small high speed wind turbine on a vineyard just up the road from us worked for 2o + years now scrap metal. They have since connected to the grid. One of the companies near us had Solar installed ten years ago, now outdated and needing to be replaced. It may be good for 25 years but after that all is scrap.

pseudo-Josephus,

If you like burning coal so much then why don't you migrate to China where they'll even let you eat it for breakfast if you want.

Fellow Climate Change denier Squadron Leader West (aka Hasbeen nee Phil) will even fly you there in his make believe fighter jet.

Don't be late! UP UP AND AWAY.

Mr 0,
Holocaust deniers are relatively easy to deal with; the Nazis kept meticulous records.
But if, instead of doing so, you ignored their arguments and instead resorted to ad hominems, other readers would conclude that the deniers are smarter and/or better informed than you. Intellectual snobbery isn't naming and shaming your opponents, it's shaming yourself by calling your opponents names!

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Josephus,
Resources don't run out in the way you think they do. Aluminium in particular is extremely abundant, and there will always be alternatives.

Why do you expect the third world to still be burning wood and dung to cook and keep warm in 50 years? They're moving away from that now, so that statement looks particularly stupid... though far less so than your next claim:
> The only alternative will be coal and gas,
Have you forgotten the alternative of electricity?

Also, are you unaware that wood and dung can be used to make gas, and that the process is far more environmentally friendly than burning them directly?

Most of the soar panels are likely to last longer than 25 years, though those in high value situations are likely to be cascaded to lower value situations when better ones are available. And it's hardly surprising that a wind turbine from the 20th century has now been put to be recycled!

Aiden, and what is their Gwatt/Hrs output divided by the number of
turbines/NPrating per year ?
Unless you take into account the number of turbines involved and their
rating you are avoiding the cost of maintenance and installation.
Basically what is needed is the amount of energy generated per year
compared to what would be generated if the wind never stopped blowing at top speed !
You are also avoiding the necessary duplication of sites and the more
capable grid with which to interconnect them.

The lifetime of a turbine also seems to be under a cloud as many in
the US seem to be not making 20 years.
Also Germany is scrapping turbines and selling them to Australia amoungst others. Any idea why ?