Bazz,

Africans have been farmers for many thousands of years, they may have kicked 0ff the Egyptian civilization as the Sahara dried out and the populations there retreated to river valleys such as the Niger and the Nile. They were smelting iron when Europeans were still fighting each other with rocks.

When the British first got to what is now Nigeria, they found at least one city (Ibadan) which was larger than any European city.

More negatively, there wouldn't have been a trans-Atlantic slave trade without highly developed, feudal and war-like societies in Africa, which were probably trading slaves to the Roman Empire long before.

Joe

Joe Loudmouth said-

I've read some pretty stupid comments on OLO, but yours take the cake:

"Every culture deserves their own nation."

Answer-

Thanks for your feedback Joe.

I mean if every culture has their own police force their, own government, territory, their own companies, etc... their own nation... they have no reason to complaint that they are being mistreated by evil white people. If they can't play nicely everyone has the option to go and sit in the corner by themselves. But the communists see this as evil racism- everything is about power- who's got it- who wants it. The business people "capitalists" see this as a missed opportunity to exploit a world wide market. Most people don't like change- they are responsible within their own sphere- and they have a right to peace. Sadly others like chaos- we need to disenfranchise these people.

The US Declaration Of Independence despite any faults says- A government should be of the people, by the people, for the people- multiculturalism seeks to subvert these ideals.

The UN Human Rights Principles talk about attempts to fracture a people is genocide. In many cases this contradicts their Hate Laws in the Convention on Civil and Political Rights (tabled in 1957 and ratified with conditions in 1992).

US Trade founded undermined the people distorting policy.

Zoologist Desmond Morris- Human Zoo a Supertribe where no one cares about anyone else.

Confucist scholars talk about the family as being the fundamental unit of society- which the communists, the capitalists, Locke Liberals (industrial structure) wants to destroy.

Others have talked about the enslavement of society by the brainless industrial system fed human cogs. Not that I think that Taylorism doesn't have some value- Drucker is interesting too.

The industrial system doesn't want thinking people.

Any system that gets too big too complex becomes problematic- some just want to see the world burn. Some just don't want to think deeply.

Don't think feeeeel. It's like a finger pointing at the moon- don't look at the finger- or you will miss all that heavenly glory. Bruce Lee.

Yes, interesting, Joe;
Are you saying that African smelting took place before the Bronze Age ?
The largest development I thought took place in Africa was the Arab
colinisation of Nth East Africa, which I think goes back to sometime in
the BC era, long before European colonisation.
Were the Egyptians originally Negroids or were they from early Mesopotamia ?
I quickly realise how much I don't know.
In Africa the slave trade was Arab run with tribes being sub contractors.
Appalling that it can be described in business plan language.

Bazz,

The Egyptians of Pharaoh fame were probably a mixture, over thousands of years, of Black African pastoralists moving up and settling along the Nile from the south, and Berber pastoralists moving their herds across from the Sahara and Mediterranean coast and also settling in the Nile valley.

If you're ever in north Africa, call a local Berber an Arab. Very likely, the Arabs - after their invasion of north Africa in the seventh century - saw the easy money in perpetuating the slave trade further south, which is, by the way, a feature of very many ancient societies, Greece and Rome for example.

Very likely, the smelting and working in bronze in West Africa pre-dated that in Europe, or even perhaps Mesopotamia.

Joe

Audi, vide, tace, si tu vis vivere.

A suggested motif for the BLM flag.

Their message is plain. If you want your peace, be obedient to our call.
Observe us, listen to us, but keep your mouth shut or we destroy your peace.

The BLM social misfitism, can only be resolved on the same streets as their uprising against social order. History is the purveyor of this truth.

A book on this history is "dance between the flames" Berlin between the wars.
Anton Gill.
How to rid society of this low element is chronicled.

If war on the streets is what they want, and obviously it is, then give it to them.

Dan.

Joe, I noticed while reading something about Egypt a reference to a
black Pharaoh. For it to get a mention, it must have been other than
a regular occurrence.

There were of course the Nubian Kingdoms of Kush that had their own
Pharoahs which were black.
There were wars between Kush and Egypt and when Kush was the winner
they may have appointed black Pharaohs.
Strange how features of those ancient times echo down the millenia.