CM,

There have been such secessionist movements for many decades - Marcus Garvey back in the 1920s and 1930s; Robert Williams led one such movement up until the mid-sixties, then came back to the US from China and did some time for minor sabotage.

It dawns on many such people eventually that they are Americans, not Africans, that America - the US - is THEIR country as much as anybody else's. They built it with their blood, sweat and tears and it owes them.

But it seems each generation has to learn that lesson over and over.

Joe

To Loudmouth- Your argument is similar to the ancient Catholic idea that everyone returns to the church- but with a new coat of communist paint.

I see that certain people follow ideology and some don't. Some see different relationships between entities than those of communist or Locke Liberal or even Capitalist "Australian Small L Liberal" doctrine.

But ironically in a way I agree with you- most people return to their families traditions in the end.

Liberals verses Traditionalists. Top-down verses Bottom-Up.

The irony about "Locke" Liberalism is it's a Global Dictatorship.

See Patrick Deneen on the ABC (of all places)

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/the-death-of-liberalism/9380788

CM,

No, it's a simpler matter - African-Americans or Blacks or whatever you prefer are Americans. They're not Africans in nationality or culture or perhaps language. They are US citizens these days. They are Americans, pure and simple.

But it seems many other Americans, strutting around with their little dicks and high-powered rifles, don't see it that way. And they are therefore in the wrong about their fellow-Americans. The US never was, and never will be, a White Country and they need to get that through their thick heads.

The sooner those half-wits wake up to themselves, the sooner the US can get back to aspiring to be a Great Country, a fully democratic country for all its citizens equally.

Joe

Black American's also see themselves as different from the whites. It's not only one way. I can't see the two parties ever getting along. We should let them each go there own way in relative peace. Lincoln was wrong to think that multiculturalism could work- maybe a change of heart led to his death. European leaders etc have said that it hasn't worked. It's only the social liberals who still believe it can work- even Foxy talks of her salad bowl. People need their own institutions- the UN talks about the right to self determination- let them both have it.

Maybe Loudmouth is proposing some sort of eugenics program to solve the ethnic conflict. Maybe propose that every white woman should be raped by a black man to "Make America Grey". Or perhaps just make the blacks the new elite and the whites the slaves so that white women are attracted to the black power. What will black women think of this- will they gang bash and break the white women's ribs and face like at the Melbourne Train Station.

I think we should give some of the "social liberal engineers" a few drops of their own medicine and subject "them" to a little tyranny.

Something isn't true just because someone says it is.

Why is Loudmouth's opinion more valid than another?

CM,

Perhaps you're right, if you have some notion that Blacks and whites cant live together, that Europeans should all pack up and move back to their European countries of origin.

Just as bloody stupid, mate :)

Meanwhile, inter-marriage proceeds regardless. I'm puzzled why, in the US, more Black men marry white women than the reverse, while here in Australia, it's very much the other way around: here, something like 90-95 % of urban Indigenous women who marry, marry non-Indigenous men. That's been going on at least since the War.

I'm not even going to respond to your other idiotic and blatantly racist idea.

And no, as an opinion, mine is no more valid than anybody else's, including yours. That's what 'opinion' means.

Joe

Joe Loudmouth said- "The US never was, and never will be, a White Country and they need to get that through their thick heads. "

Answer- Well some people believe that the US is a White Country- that is their opinion- and they should have the right to say it. Not kow-tow to a dialogue designed by the subversive communists, the low wage globalist industrialists and the social liberals (which the communists call useful idiots). I do sympathise with some social liberals as they try to be fair by choosing the middle ground but fail because the ground moves.

Joe Loudmouth does seem to have an uncommon empathy for the Australian Aboriginals. I remember him saying that he has a few relatives that are Aboriginal. It's hard to see beyond one's own "nose" or ..."thing"- at least we get to see another perspective on this forum. In many places people are persecuted for an alternative view.

I still think that a person should have the right to secede.

I see some value in giving Aboriginals their own autonomous zone (and even their own country) if this creates peace between the White and Black communities- the Black community is clearly unhappy with the White community. This has worked relatively well in places like the former Croatia/ Yugoslavia and is seen by many as the solution in Israel in the form of the Two State Solution.

Maybe it would work in Australia and the US too.

Personally I'm tired of hearing the same issues come up generation after generation without a solution.