Yuyutsu,

you make a solid point about pressure on chinese Australians from CCP.

This reality cannot be ignored.

This cannot be ignored either:

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/china-australia-newspapers-say-advertisers-withdrawing-due-to-china-pressure-20191011-p52zrd.html

Apparently Chinese Australian newspapers are also feeling the
pressure from China.

Chris,

Do you sincerely believe that Chinese migrants in Australia particularly those on temporary or permanent residency visas have undivided loyalty to Australia?

Their loyalties will be to their ancestral homeland. If you were a temporary or permanent resident in China and hostilities broke out between Australia and China I'm sure you would be on the first plane back to Australia to support your homeland. The same will go for the Chinese in Australia.

It's only people like Foxy who can bring themselves to believe otherwise because they think everybody yearns for the big Kumbaya fest where we all hold hands with each other and dance around telling each other how nice we all are.

Mr O, I am optimistic, but would not be surprised what happens

Mr O,

I see that you're tempted to categorise people or their
views into "pro China" panda huggers or "anti-China"
dragon slayers. Dividing people into these 2 camps is
really unhelpful as it does give the illusions that
everyone allegedly in the same camp is united in a
common view and that people of different camps disagree
on everything. This is a false belief.

People with strong views on China do not hold views just for
the sake of supporting or opposing the Chinese government.
It is possible to hold two views at once. Someone can
advocate for trade with China and at the same time condemn
China for its human rights abuses.

In a democracy such as Australia it is important that we do
not question people's integrity or loyalty based on their
political views or policy positions. Ad hominem attacks
that try to tag people as "communists"or "useful idiots"
are a means to discredit and delegitimize opposing voices.
But using these attacks avoids the effort of engaging with
arguments and evidence.

Also the question of "loyalty"does tremendous harm to the
Chinese communities in particular to Chinese Australians as
well as Chinese International students all of whom are entitled
to exercise their democratic rights, just as everyone else,
including freedom of expression.

I shall repeat that it is in Australia's national interest that
we continue to contemplate China's role in the world and to
debate how Australia should respond. But this is a
conversation that needs to be conducted based on facts and the
merits of the argument not on insinuation of intention.

If you are unable to do that - start your own discussion on the
topic. Kindly do not attempt to divert mine.

Thank You.

MR O, apparently you have been told what you can say and cannot say, but I am not getting involved. LOL.