Shadow,

You say; "this thread was started essentially as a sniping attempt at conservatives". Its conservatives such as Trump and Johnson who have let their countries, and the world, down through their conservative inaction when this pandemic first broke back in February. In times of crises you don't need clowns running the show. Initially it looked like Morrison was going to be one of those clowns as well, with his "I'm going to the fotty!" nonsense. Fortunately it was the state Premiers who said "Wait a minute ScumO' this is much more serious than going to the football, action must be taken now!" Andrews in Victoria was in the forefront when it came to that call. Top marks also goes to the Liberal Premiers in South Australia and Tasmania for their response. Berejiklian in NSW has been hamstrung by having a totally incompetent Health Minister in Hazzard. He's got the right name, he certainly is a hazard when it comes to his handling of the cornavirus, 'Ruby Pricess','Nightmarch House' showed his incompetence, should have been sacked for both of them.

Paul,

As usual, just more of your fatuous drivel. That the UK's infection rate is roughly the same as France, Italy, Spain etc seems to have escaped you.

That the poster boy for the Aussie left, "Disease Dan" after talking so tough shat the bed so spectacularly as to have other states blockade Victoria shows that your premise is complete bollocks.

Shadow Minister,

Quite frankly I don't think that any one else can do a better
job than what our governments have done and what they are
currently doing. Federal and state, both.

In these difficult times, times of uncertainty, we need
to build up our confidence not tear it down in people
who are doing their jobs.

We are all in this together and we shall survive, or not
depending on our own actions.

So, chin up.

Take care.
And stay safe.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I directly asked you the following;

How was Andrews inconsistent with applying restrictions and how has that led to an increase in infections?

Yet here you are using words like “Disease Dan” and putting up Furphies rather than address it. You really have little substance to offer on this except for scripted platitudes and nasty asides.

You called this thread sniping of the right. No, it is holding you lot to account. If the mentality of many of the hard right on this forum had prevailed then Australia would likely have experienced deaths in the 10s of thousands.

I read this recently and it sums things up so neatly I thought it was worth reproducing here.

“If you've ever built a personality around gleefully “offending liberals,” here's what you need to know: we aren't offended. You haven't hurt our feelings or made us cry. You sound like children to us, and we are sick of responding over and over to your infuriatingly stupid talking points, but we keep doing it because people's lives might seriously be at stake if the wrong kind of idiocy is allowed to spread too far. You are not erudite debaters “owning the libs”. You're the rotten annoying little kids kicking the backs of our seats while we're trying to keep the car on the road.”
Jesse Adams 2020

Steele,

Perhaps 'real men' should be urged not to wear face-masks, and to congregate closely together in pubs and at football matches - while wimpy people like you and me should be urged to wear masks, socially-distance, lock-down, etc. Then, after say, six months, we'll see whose policies have worked best.

But I suspect that the 'real men' on this forum are safely locked away at home with their fifty rolls of toilet paper, watching Fox News. They'll do okay.

Joe

Loudmouth2, I wish to repeat a posting I did earlier.
It went something like this;
This virus will eventually catch up with anyone and everyone who is susceptible to it, (the aged, the infirm) you know, the usual suspects.
Now if I understand this scenario correctly, it matters not what protections and avoidance methods we all choose to adopt, those of us who are in the "doomed" bracket, WILL eventually fall victim to this damn virus.
So even though I don't have an issue with people trying to, "not get caught", I sadly feel that it is inevitable.
I akin it to someone being chased by the law.
They can hide for as long as they can, but eventually they WILL get caught.
So as awful as my words, or at least their outcome suggests, I'm sorry, but Sweden's way just MIGHT turn out to be the right way.
I'm talking mainly on behalf of those who will not be affected by the virus, but will suffer far greater and far longer because of the shutdowns.
I realise that it appears that Sweden has chosen to turn their backs on the old and infirm, but I must remind people they come from a very pragmatic and objective base, even though they have feelings but they don't let them interfere with seeking the most appropriate answer commensurate with the problem at hand.
So let's say, they weighed up the rationale of losing the old and infirm, which ultimately MIGHT NOT have survived the post COVID 19 lifestyle or the expected hardships, in favour of saving the many millions more healthy people that would have suffered post COVID 19, if they decided to lock-down/shut-down.
I am expecting the numbers internationally to rise dramatically, not because they did not shut down quick enough, but because if the mix of people are similar around the world, we MUST get similar outcomes, lock-down or not.
Eventually the vulnerable will succumb. (if they don't find a successful vaccine and it actually works, in time to save what vulnerable people are left)
Just a thought.