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Defacement of History.

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I don't support fundamentalists and extremists.
Foxy,
neither do I but unlike you I'm doing whatever I can to get people to see what happens when we don't stop them !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 10:37:07 PM
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Is Mise,

Russia has a population of 145,934,462.
The United States has a population of 330,806,424.
Russia's population density is lower than that of
the United States but its economic conditions are worse,
hence the higher crime rates.

In international terms the United States is a violent
society. You can access either the FBI data or Reuters
fact-checks on the web.

As explained earlier - there are large geographic
variations in crime rates in the US and FBI data shows
big differences from state to state, and city to city.

Runner,

How exactly do I demean my race? You need to be more
specific.

Hasbeen,

As far as London is concerned there was a doco recently
that showed how the city has had serious problems over
hundreds of years. I don't think colour comes into play.
I think its various other factors like population density,
and the social and economic conditions.

Individual,

So you want to stop fundamentalists and extremists from
coming into this country? Don't we all.
Any suggestions as to how exactly we can do that?
I'm sure that the Immigration Department would be
grateful for any advice or suggestions you could give them.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 11:24:27 PM
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Foxy,

Labor tried a few times to stop the flow of illegal boats and each time there was a temporary lull and they would start again. Under Abbott the boats arriving in Aus stopped completely and permanently in spite of Labor claiming that it was impossible.

You can kid yourself that Labor had it under control, but no one believes you.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 5:14:41 AM
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'Runner,

How exactly do I demean my race? You need to be more
specific.
Just read your posts Foxy. If you can't figure it out I doubt telling you will help much.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 9:24:13 AM
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Foxy,

"Russia has a population of 145,934,462.
The United States has a population of 330,806,424.
Russia's population density is lower than that of
the United States but its economic conditions are worse,
hence the higher crime rates."

So you admit that Russia as an industrialized nation has higher crime rates than the USA, and that you were wrong to say that the US was the most violent of industrialized nations

Progress!!

Now you might tell us what the relevance of being industrialized is.

Thank you for your admission.

As the crime rates were per 100,000 of the population then the actual population has no relevance, that's why comparative figures are usually given as a number of the population.

In world terms for murder and other crimes the US is a peaceful country.

Ten Highest for Crime:
The countries with the ten highest crime rates in the world are:

1.Venezuela (84.49)
2.Papua New Guinea (81.93)
3.South Africa (77.49)
4.Afghanistan (76.23)
5.Honduras (76.11)
6.Trinidad and Tobago (73.19)
7.Brazil (68.88)
8.Peru (68.15)
9.El Salvador (67.96)
10.Guyana (67.66)
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/crime-rate-by-country/
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 11:32:21 AM
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Shadow Minister,

John Menadue, former secretary, Department of
Immigration and Ethnic Affairs 1980 - 83, and
Peter Hughes, senior officer in the Department of
Immigration and Citizenship for 30 years have put
to bed the myth that Tony Abbott stopped the boats.

They consider that a great piece of spin.

According to them the game changer was the announcement
by Kevin Rudd on July 19 2013, two months before the
election, that any person arriving irregularly by boat
would NOT be settled in Australia.

Boat arrivals fell quickly and dramatically as a result
of the announcement coming on top of other measures the
Labor government had already taken.

In fact we're told that Tony Abbott kept the door open
for tens of thousands of boat arrivals in the first place.
His failure to support the Malaysia Agreement
in Sept. 2011 resulted in the surge of
boat arrivals over the next two
years.

You can read more in the link I cited earlier.

runner,

Criticising the actions of some people, white or black is
not demeaning their race. The same as criticising the
actions and policies of governments, leaders, and politicians
(or US President Trump) does not equate to "hate".

We've covered this ground many times. I've stated previously
that one of the pre-requisites for democracy is the
tolerance of criticism and of dissenting opinions. They're
fundamental to democracy.

Is Mise,

You're still trying to paddle your canoe even though its
sinking.

America is a violent society. You don't have to take my
word for it. Use Google:

1) America is a violent country - Washington Post.
2) Why is America so violent? - Vanity Fair.
3) 5 facts about crime in the US - Pew Research Center.
4) America is a violent country - with or without guns -
Washington Times.

And the list goes on.

Lets go back to the topic. If you want to argue - start
your own thread.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:59:45 PM
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