mickijo: "The biggest racists are those who call everyone else 'racist'."

Not being able to refute my argument, mickijo resorts to a silly rant about the supposed 'political correctness' of the ALP. With respect to my comments about Bazz's racist post, it seems that mickijo was being deliberately obtuse, rather than ignorant.

Like most Hansonites, mickijo knows that s/he is racist but is resentful when confronted with this inescapable fact.

James Purser re your comment
"they set up enclaves where they have their own language signage, have difficulty learning the local language and prefer to talk with others of their "type" in their own language, in public no less."
You have quite obviously never lived in another society/culture. To be in such a situation often requires complex juggling of deplomacy. I read only too often on this forum how "Australians have to be more tolerant of immigrant culture". So, how is it that Caucasians, when overseas, are so wrong when they set up their own enclaves ? Isn't that exactly what the many immigrants are doing in Australia ? Isn't a church or a mosque an enclave just like a club is or a bar ? The reason why people flock to such places is to be among a familiar group of people. Race & religion have absolutely nothing to do with that. Have you ever tried to become accepted in a remote australian indiginous community ? It takes years just to be tolerated as a necessary evil. Of course, like in every society there are exceptional individuals but in general the aforementioned is the scenario. So, in such a situation what is one to do if one is in need of socialising ? , you go & visit & mix with those you are familiar with & that includes people of another race or religion. Unfortunately, judging by your posts you'll be looking for a long time to find the company of a like-minded.

cj morgan says"not being able to refute my argument"
What argument is that cj?
The one where All Australians are racist
or some Australians are racist
or most Australians are racist?
or anyone who disagrees with your point of view is racist?

to quote....please explain!

individual, I think he was having a go at me for having a go at the immigrants that do that here. Although, I am not saying that I cant undestand WHY they do it, just that by doing so they need to understand that it draws a distinction between them and those that came before.

I dont necessarily have a problem with people sticking with their own as such. But in doing so, they need to come to grips with the idea that the rest of society will view them with suspicion in a lot of cases. The same will apply to white australians sticking to their cultural groups (they will be viewed with suspicion by minorities). Its just human nature. CJ Morgan would argue that this is racist (but only by definition to the white population, which is why I have problems with his/her arguements). I say its fundamental self-preservation - ie being suspicious of something that MIGHT harm you. Does this mean that its good and right? Heck no, but we need to understand that the perceptions of problems is created as much by people wanting to form these enclaves as those who view the enclaves with suspicion. The initial onus on breaking down barriers though should be on those moving to a new country. If this was to happen more, we would see a natural decline in racist attitudes of those that were here first. No perceived threat = no need for suspicion.

mickijo, you said "There was nothing "racist" in Bazz' post, he was simply pointing out facts and numbers".

On the remote chance that you genuinely misunderstood my point about Bazz's racist post, I explained that Bazz's post was racist, due to "his inference that his 'Chinese' and 'of middle eastern appearance' fellow passengers were not Australians, apparently on the basis of nothing more than their appearance."

Rather than addressing the racism that I've demonstrated in Bazz's post, you responded to my explanation with an irrelevant rant about the ALP's supposed political correctness (for the record, I am not an ALP supporter). Now, like other intellectually impoverished wingnuts here, you attempt to distract from the weakness of your position by attributing ideas to me that I haven't expressed.

While I have said that I think that most Australians are racist, I haven't made the other claims you attribute to me. You are a good example of what I actually did say, however.

In a similar vein, Country Gal suggests that I restrict the capacity for racism to the "white population" - except I have written no such thing. I have, however, asked Dresdener (who has made a similar claim in another thread) a simple question in response to his racist contributions to this thread, but he hasn't replied:

"What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?"

Perhaps another Hansonite wingnut could answer that one?

CJ Morgan re
"What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?"
Perhaps another Hansonite wingnut could answer that one?

Can I answer that stupid question with another stupid question ? What nationality are dark haired brown eyed people ?