It is a fact that many Australians supported Pauline to start a party way back when it was said-

"Shes only saying what we all think."

Some of the people said well so what- The country was built on migrants like the Greek and many others.

She warned about too many people and too little water and many other things.
There were a lot of people who voted for her back then until they jailed her.
I am interested to know how many of the people who voted for her felt dudded out of having a person to represent "their feelings" to the Government.

There is no question this woman should not have been put in prison and you would not have to support her personally to support basic rights of freedom of speach.

The question is will people vote for her that otherwise might not have as a show of outrage as to how she was treated?

I personally think they will.

I dont know Pauline`s stand on live animal exports but I do know the feed lots that are flooding QLD are not Australian owned apart from the fact they are not something I agree with.

I also know that the Government are considering making cruel Ritual Slaughter of Animals for both Kosha and Halal legal in Australia.

Ok So a lot of people dont care about animals suffering - but a lot do.

Even if you dont do you really think its a good idea to have Australia turned into a Islamic extreme ritual country.?


Muslim leaders in Australia have no say either because they must obey allah.

So in short we are all under allah if we do not protest loudly about this blatent attempt to bring down our animal welfare standards in Australia and turn us into a Islamic Ritual Country.

She did warn us didnt she.

I'll support her right to freedom of speech so long as she supports my right to call her a complete fool.

This is the person who famously declared we were being flooded by Asians(oh noes Yellow Peril!), called on the government to end "special support" for aboriginal groups (cos we've seen what happens when the government decides to cut programmes aimed at helping those groups haven't we) and even setup a company so that the money she received (legally) from the Electoral Commission was held in her name only. There was a reason why most of One Nation split from Pauline.

Now she's jumped on the anti-muslim band wagon. So now its the "light brown peril!".

She may be saying what your thinking but she sure as hell isn't saying what I am.

i think pauline will do us all a favor by measuring the 'would-be fascist' vote in oz. if it's large, someone much smarter will be along soon to frighten the rich, with a view to extracting a bribe.

James Purser, take a long look at any TV shot of any main street in any Australian state and you will see that indeed we have a large crowd of Asians, I do not use the word 'swamped' out of courtesy. Check the universities as well.
Pauline Hansen is welcome, she is the one who tells it like it is, if she is not as articulate as some of the other pollies, it is because she has been too busy in her life to worry about grammar. It is the sincerity that matters, not the polish.

Pauline Hanson is an opportunistic dog. If she addressed her 'issues' 'indirectly' and 'on the whole' she would do alot better and could be considered suitable for the 'spotlight' globally. Australians have a problem with multiculturalism (re: outsiders), just move to any small rural town. She does say what many think, but those same many make up multiculturalism themselves.

There are many directions a nation can go in.......

Pauline is just one of a number available today.

Here are some others.. and the first explains 'her' direction.

1/ FOREIGN RELATIONS by HEZBOLLAH.

Theme 'death to Israel'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjhtVAKAdE&NR=1
(apologies for the language in the title)

2/ FOREIGN RELATIONS by U.S.A.

Theme 'let us die to make men free'

Please watch the whole vid here.. and be inspired by the 2nd lead male vocal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWYZAnVSGKY

Pauline is just one of many Aussies who is sick to death of Green/Democrat/Left/Socialists who prefer to defend the likes of radical Muslims, she, like many Aussies, sees writing on the wall if we do nothing, and she is charting a direction which is unpalatable to certain sensitivities.

IF.... the major parties were prepared to do the hard yards,

-experience a bit of isolation at UN cocktail parties (for being an 'international pariah' for selectively discriminating in our migration policy)

-weather the storm of politically correct (but stuuuupid) voices attacking them for having the testicles to make tough decisions.

Pauline's party would have no reason or basis to exist.

But they won't....so she...'does'.

How did Pauline respond to your strategic advice, Boazy? I'm dying to know.

mickijo said: "James Purser, take a long look at any TV shot of any main street in any Australian state and you will see that indeed we have a large crowd of Asians, I do not use the word 'swamped' out of courtesy. Check the universities as well."

'Asianisation' is a reality, whether we like it or not. Australia's Asian population has increased by something like 800% in three decades (find the census figures and do the math if you don't believe me). Is it 'racist' to point out a demographic fact? I think not.

Dresdener,

Well Pauline doesn't seem to worried about Asian immigration now a days. She's moved on to the latest "hate of the week".

And yes, by definition, it is racist to demand that one group be excluded based on their race.

James
Please dont jump to conclushions. I opended this thread with a question- Which was I wonder how many people will support Pauline simply because they want to show the Government they had no right to jail her because she was a threat to them.?

I did not say she spoke for me but I am concerned about the Government bringing in more and more people despite where they are from because of our water situation.

Nor do I know Pauline`s position on the Cruel Live Export trade despite having asked several times.

Here is ourlink with our Programe we have been running to work with Muslim People In Australia James so your theory of us being racist is unfounded.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

I will say however we need new leadership of Muslims in Australia but that not what this thread is about.

STG
Its very uncalled for to call her a dog and cant you just imagine! to fuss if SHE said it.
Seems to be one rule for you and another for her.
What I said was I do not think she deserved to be jailed.
As James said- he will support her right for free speach despite the fact he does not agree with her.
Thats the Aussie way
STG.

The question was- How many people will vote for her out of shear anger at the way she was treated?I think many will because Aussies dont like Government blocking free speach- even if they do not agree with the person.

Morgan. Your comment to David- funny as.
Davo I have anumberif you like. Just email me through our web page. I will warn you however Pauline doesnt listen to many people I am told by her sister Judy.
James whatever you feel I think shes sincerly concerned about Australia
Under todays climate that not a evil plan either.
Look lets face it there are many Australians who dont want more and more imagrants so why shouldnt she be allowed to represent them?

CJ.. The last person I would be discussing that with ..is you :)

PALE.. I've emailed.

James... the 'Asianization' thing did not worry me so much personally, as I'm married to one. But being 'in' that community, I can tell you there is a LOT of very real racism there, and you might re-think your views if you came in touch with it.

I recall that around 1981 there was a hue and cry that "If Labor wins, Box Hill will be 'Asian' within 5 yrs" at the time they all said 'OOoooh.. racist...blah blah'.... well all I can say is.. 'visit Box hill today' :) (Vic)

Demographic management is as much a political responisiblity as economic management.
The reality is.. races/cultures are different, and any government which does not recognize potential points of conflict and manage them, is plain stupid.

Part of demographic management is to facilitate assimilation and integration...NOT to promote hard walled racial/cultural segregation/aparthied. Deny this to our peril.

I think since the last time Pauline went off at some group of 'others' it was prior to 9/11 ? a lot has happened since then to shift the focus from 'that which is dangerous' to that which is MOST dangerous.

As many have said, Pauline was right.

One day I got on the train and in the compartment I was in there were
one Australian
12 Chinese
one of middle eastern appearance.

The train went another six stops and the score was

3 Australians
30 Chinese
4 of middle eastern appearance

What is your definition of swamped ?

How do you know this, Bazz? Did you go around the carriage and ask your fellow travellers whether they were Australians or not?

Or did you mean 'Anglo' or 'Caucasian' when you wrote "Australian"?

If so, that says much about you.

CJ... you could try this. Go by tram from Vermont South to Melbourne CBD and see how many caucasians are on it, and how many of 'Indian' racial extraction.

This might not be an issue, except that they all speak a foreign language. So, the impression you get is that you have visited India, rather than simply travelled from point A to point B in Australia.

The simple unavoidable fact is... Australians (of any complexion or racial background) have to decide "What kind of Australia do we want"?

Once that is decided, only numbers and votes will decide the outcome or success or failure of that definition.

There is really not a lot to be gained by woffling on about 'fair go' because no matter how you cut the cake, there will be those who yell "Ohhhh its not fair".. so..thats life.

If we decide "We want a predominantly caucasian/Anglo/JudaoChristian flavored Australia".. then.. run with that, and if it has legs.. it will win.

To me, acceptance of any race is not an issue, I accept them. But what I DON'T accept is that the predominant Anglo/Caucasian racial/cultural fabric can be displaced by another. IF..... newcomers can assimilate and integrate and become a part of us, (while at the same time enriching our cultural/national experience with their own contribution) I'm fine with that. But when a tributary becomes a FLOOD it will overwhelm the main river and it will lose its definition.

Actually CJ, you dont have to ask, just listen. If they speak english to their friends on the bus, they are Australian. If not, then not. If english is not their first language, then they should be practising it out in public as much as possible, the faster to learn.

Even amongst those of asian descent, it is usually not hard to pick those that most would refer to as Australian, rather than Asian. They speak good english with little accent (and usually speak english in public as a choice), they carry and groom themselves somewhat differently to those that are from their land of origin. I guess they appear more westernised. You could argue for a decade about whether this is a good thing or not, but from where I stand, if they blend into our society, then it doesnt matter a jot if they look a bit different (eg different facial features or whatever). Its the actions that count.

I don't see any evidence of being "swamped". Maybe in some of the major cities, where most migrants understandably settle pehaps but generally no.

So whatever happened to all the Asian Triad gangs that were apparently terrorising us not so long ago?
Likewise, where are all the aboriginals cruising around in their new cars paid for by Government hand-outs?

Her mistake last time was targetting a couple of racial groups but now she sees more milage in taking on an entire religion.

Personally I think she's making another run because she's a bit short of cash and has spent the last 200-odd grand she got from the last attempt.

A vile and pathetic woman that deserves more pity than respect.

PALE...I don't give a toss what is uncalled for in regards to Hanson. But FYI, 'opportunistic dog' as in 'mongrel that sniffs out fresh blood and attacks'... Her and Germaine greer (the fem-nazi-bot scrag) could be mates.

She's a smart lady, that's what she is.

She has done her market research, and found that she can get an awful lot of $2.40-per-vote by tapping into the innate xenophobia of Boaz and his pals.

No doubt what the brand "Pauline" stands for, is there?

Nice work if you can get it. Beats serving chips.

Country Gal: "If they speak english to their friends on the bus, they are Australian. If not, then not."

I wasn't aware that it's compulsory for Australians to speak English in public. Many of my Italo-Australian neighbours and customers are in daily breach of that supposed requirement, despite the fact they've been citizens for decades. Mind you, their kids speak English perfectly adequately, and have the added advantage over their Anglo peers of being bilingual.

Boazy: "Go by tram from Vermont South to Melbourne CBD and see how many caucasians are on it, and how many of 'Indian' racial extraction."

The racism's never far from the surface with you, is it Boazy? Are we supposed to infer that "caucasians" are Australians and those of "'Indian' racial extraction" are not? I know you have no idea how offensive you are to educated, fair-minded Australians, but that doesn't excuse you. You've been told so many times in this forum alone.

Boazy: "If we decide "We want a predominantly caucasian/Anglo/JudaoChristian flavored Australia".. "

And how are "we" going to decide this, precisely? There are many Australian citizens (including me) who would argue strongly against such a racist proposal. Are they included in your "we"?

James Purser,

Just a hint James. Muslim is not a race. So a call for a stop to muslim immigration cannot be racist.

CJ Morgan, “Are we supposed to infer that Caucasians are Australian and those of Indian racial extraction are not”

How many Anglo Indians are there in India? India belongs to the Indians.

How many Anglo Asians are there in Asian countries? Asia belongs to the Asians.

If they were stupid enough to overpopulate their own countries. Why should we now give them free reign to this country as well .

The Indians didn’t fight and die to defend this country in World War Two, why should we now just let them walk in here and claim this country as their own?

Besides a lot of these foreign workers are being brought in here by our political masters at the request of greedy business people (who pocketed the money they should have been using to train apprentices); to drive wages down and once again profit from not having to train anybody. You cant expect the Anglo workers to thank these other races for that.

Pauline Hansons party failed to win power last time not because people didnt agree with her views on immigration but because they could see that she and her one nation party were incapable of running the country. Had they been seen as capable I believe they would have been swept to power.

Pauline has no idea how to improve Australia. She's just like a lot of grumpy people, full of complaints and no good ideas except find someone to blame. Just a pompous, arrogant, ignorant whinger without a clue. It's a fact that in most nations at least 10% of people are racist and all she's doing is trying to do is get the vote of the whinging racists. God knows there's plenty of them who visit this site.

Reading these blogs it is unbelievable the bigotry and prejudice that PH starts. BOAZ who quotes the bible on almost every blog and tries to convert us to Christianity sounds a like a smattering of the KLU KLUX Clan they were religious too. So was the POPE who fraternised with Herr Hitler.
Thats a good one such an original name for a Political Party what is it called ? Pauline United is this party going to be anti union. anti people against live animal expoerts, anti Green Peace, anti Amnesty International, anti Friends of the Earth. Why doesn't she just own up and name her party NAZI Party then we will all know where we stand she is clearly in the Enoch Powell, Sir Oswald Mosely mould. In Britain people united together and put a stop to these racists and formed the Anti Nazi League it was extremely effective which consisted of Trade Unionists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Black Africans, West Indians, Quakers, Gays, Pensioners when all the minorities form together they can unite to become the majority.

Paulines united party!There's nothing united about that woman.Makes me ashamed to be female or human for that matter.

Dear dear CJ....oh naive one.... oh romantic, idealistic, but totally ignorant one :) thats not a "put down", -ignorant of history.

I recommend stronggggly that you have a peek at this, and place yourself in mind of the American Indian around the time when it was becoming clear that 'white man' was getting 'strong to the point of danger'
See, touch, hear, identify, enter into... the hearts of the Indian..and ask yourself a simple question "If I knew then, what I know now, how would I have done things different re the white man"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmbSTY41jI&mode=related&search=

Listen to the 'noble' words of Andrew Jackson "forever yours" and then.. see how the dark forces of human settler greed overcame that nobiity.... and we saw the 'ALLOTMENT ACT'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8i6y4wHyg&mode=related&search=

This is the way human societies function, sadly.. but it's reality then, and reality now.. you can flip out the 'racism' or 'xenophobia' card as much as you like.. I am invulnerable to that.. there is no political kryptonite, why ? because I know history and I know human nature.

If you think migrants are any different from 'us' and that we are any different from the 'American Settlers'.. then .. you are truly a historical....'boy' rather than a man.

Grow up CJ... see the realities rather than exchanging mutual warm fuzzies over a latte in Lygon street.

"We" are whoever those with sufficient clout define it to be.

What is that cranking sound I can hear ?

Ahhh yes it is the media anti Pauline bandwagon starting up !

CJ, no its not compulsory to speak english in public, but given that its the official language of the country, then if you want people to make the assumption that you are Australian, the very least you can do is speak the official language. I have quibble that being multi-lingual is a great skill and one that should be offered to more school children in this country. Australians are great travellers of the world and a second or third language would be a great asset to many. I had a fair crack at Indonesian in primary school when it was compulsory, and a sister was pretty good at both indonesian and japanese, travelling to both countries as part of her language studies. We also hosted Japanese exchange students as part of the language program.

But back to the argument at hand. I have the same opinion about your italian neighbours who have been here for decades. If you want to be considered an Australian, then make it your business to speak english in public. Then you'll find far less Australians who judge you as being a foreign national.

Along similar lines, anyone with dual citizenship should be regarded with suspicion (and I include those with dual british citizenship, so dont accuse me of being a white racist). As far as I am concerned you are either a citizen of this country or of another - Australia either comes first or it doesnt.

Boazy, you really are an offensive goose sometimes. How on earth you can draw a parallel between the invasion of North America, the massacre of Native Americans and their shameful expropriation from their lands, and the legal migration of people of whom you don't happen to approve to Australia? If you wanted to draw a parallel, it would be between the invasion of Australia by the "Anglo-Celtic" forebears whom you celebrate, and their massacres of Aboriginal people and ongoing expropriation of Aboriginal lands.

I've probably forgotten more about the history of European dispossession of Indigenous peoples than you'll ever know. However, if you're proud to be a racist - and an ignorant one at that - then that's your cross to bear, preacher.

Country Gal - While you might prefer that all Australians speak English in public, clearly many Australians don't always do so. Whether you like it or not, some Australians speak other languages in public and have every right to do so. They also have every bit as much right to live here as you do, and may not give two hoots whether you ar anybody else regards them as "less Australian" than you are.

This 'more Assie than thou' crap is far more divisive than anything I've seen emanating from our immigrant communities.

It is obvious that Pauline Hanson has formed her new party to make it easier for people to vote for her. They will only have to mark one box above the line wheras if her name was below the line, as previous, they have to fill in every square. Others make use of this quirk of electoral law, so she is entitled to do so.

For thoses that say she is doing it only to gain money from the electoral funding. Consider that her travel, accomodation, office rental, printing of how-to-vote sheets, corflutes and other election expenses will come from that funding. This may leave precious little left. Why should she be the only candidate being questioned about receival of electoral funding? Just another personal attack.

As I have said before, we need more Pauline Hansons, both left, right and centre. I cannot vote for her, being inter state, but I wish her well.

CJ if they dont give two hoots, then why are you complaining for them? I assume that you see it as a problem. To me its just basic courtesy to speak the language of the country that you are expecting to take you in. I'd expect the same of myself if I moved to a non-english speaking country and wanted to become a citizen there.

CG, I'm not "complaining for them".

Rather, I simply drew attention to the naked racism in Bazz's post about his fellow commuters. That his racism has been repeated by - indeed, expanded upon - by other Hanson sympathisers serves my purpose well.

Clearly, Hanson's constituency is situated firmly in the racist Australian underbelly that most people would rather pretend no longer exists.

"Hansons constituency is located in the racist Australian underbelly".

This implies that racism is only a white problem. Racism exists in every race in this country. That hostility between the races is a major threat to peace in Australia as it is and has been everywhere else in the world. Intregration, the willingness to let your children marry with other races is the ultimate test of non racism. A lot of this kind of racism is coming more from races other than the whites within Australia.

When these races talk of multiculturalism; that is exactly what they mean. Multi races living forever separate through non intermarriage.
How much more racist can you get than that.

CJ Morgan said: "If you wanted to draw a parallel, it would be between the invasion of Australia by the "Anglo-Celtic" forebears whom you celebrate, and their massacres of Aboriginal people and ongoing expropriation of Aboriginal lands."

Ah, the old the guilt card. Multiculturalists use this often; they tell Australians that their European forefathers colonised Australia and displaced the Aboriginal population, so what is wrong with large, ethno-centric migrant groups doing the same to us? In other words, they tell Australians that in order to make up for past guilt, Australians must meekly accept resurrected colonialism.

But tell me, why is it automatically 'racist' for Australians to oppose the immigration-driven alteration of their country’s social, cultural and economic fabric? What is so wrong with Australia's founding majority wanting to sustain their country's predominately European national character? After all, their '"Anglo-Celtic" forebears' created and built one of the world's most stable, free and prosperous nations. A legacy worth preserving, in my humble opinion.

As for immigration from Asia and elsewhere, infusions of diversity enrich a national culture, but the question of scale is crucial. As long as migrant communities assimilate into the mainstream national culture, there is no problem. However, there is a major problem when the people flow resembles a new wave of colonisation. The growing presence of non-assimilating diasporic groups in our midst does not bode well for social cohesion.

sharkfin,

Racism is a problem in many communities, however just because others do it doesn't mean you should.

Country Gal, I would support your call more if I haven't seen first hand what anglo-saxons (Australian, US and Brits) tend to do in foreign countries themselves. That is, they set up enclaves where they have their own language signage, have difficulty learning the local language and prefer to talk with others of their "type" in their own language, in public no less.

James I appreciate your point, and my opinion extends to those people as well. If you are going to move to a new county permanently (ie take up citizenship), then the very least you can do is get a good handle on the language. I extend that to english-speaking peoples as much as anyone else. I dont have such a problem where the move is a temporary one only, and I extend that to foreigners living in Australia. Just dont expect to be refered as Australian if you dont make this effort (and again for english-speaking people moving to foreign countries).

There was nothing "racist" in Bazz' post, he was simply pointing out facts and numbers. The Racism is in some one saying that he is wrong to point out facts. That is the poison of Political Correctness,the most venomous poison of the Left who never give up trying to remove the free speech of Australians.

Mickijo - either you're being obtuse or you really don't get it. What was racist about Bazz's post was his inference that his "Chinese" and "of middle appearance" fellow passengers were not Australians, apparently on the basis of nothing more than their appearance.

Without asking them, how could he know whether or not they were Australians? It's impossible to tell someone's nationality from their appearance. For example, there are very many Australian citizens of Chinese and Middle Eastern descent.

Or maybe he meant that such citizens aren't really Australians because of their perceived 'racial' characteristics. And that's about as disgustingly racist as you can get.

Whether you are for Little Toady Johnny or you are against him. Everybody is saying when is he going to pull that telling little Rabbit out of the hat. He has tried many issues so far starving the States of Education and Health funding for Government Hospitals and Schools but offering to pick a solitary Hospital to make it the best. Revoke an Islamic Doctors Visa, Invade Aboriginal Land to save their children, A Plebiscite for the benefit of local Councils in Queensland. Character attack Kevin Rudd, Giveaway Socialist type budgets, $500 dollar gifts to Pensioners, $600.00 dollar gifts to Families. But hold on all of these benevolent tax payer funded give aways are still not working so what is next. Oh of course from out of the shadows comes the race card PAULINE HANSON with the Pauline United Party LOL So what ever she proposes Little Johnny will legislate. It used to be the Chinese but they are too polite Pauline blamed the Aboriginals so Pauline is now naming the Lebanese as the scapegoats. Hitler blamed the Jews and Gypsys for the countries ills Pauline now blames the Lebanese. This is what the blind ignorant masses will latch on to with the help of the Glenn Milne Newspaper and Howards popularity will soar once again. Each time he has been elected he has drawn the fear card and it has worked.

CJ Morgan: "It's impossible to tell someone's nationality from their appearance."

Ever met a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Chinese citizen?

Dresdener: "Ever met a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Chinese citizen?"

Not that I can recall. What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?

cj morgan, if the ALP get back in government[God help us] will the champions of the Politically Correct like yourself, reintroduce the pure waffle that once passed as "normal " such as ,sight challenged, height challenged,chair person and such delicate words instead of blind,short, chairman/woman.
In fact , how about erasing from memory words such as black,white, Asian,European,Muslim, Catholic. You lot can get as busy as your very stupid predecessors were in the 70's.
Free speech? Not for this country thanks .
The biggest racists are those who call everyone else 'racist'.

mickijo: "The biggest racists are those who call everyone else 'racist'."

Not being able to refute my argument, mickijo resorts to a silly rant about the supposed 'political correctness' of the ALP. With respect to my comments about Bazz's racist post, it seems that mickijo was being deliberately obtuse, rather than ignorant.

Like most Hansonites, mickijo knows that s/he is racist but is resentful when confronted with this inescapable fact.

James Purser re your comment
"they set up enclaves where they have their own language signage, have difficulty learning the local language and prefer to talk with others of their "type" in their own language, in public no less."
You have quite obviously never lived in another society/culture. To be in such a situation often requires complex juggling of deplomacy. I read only too often on this forum how "Australians have to be more tolerant of immigrant culture". So, how is it that Caucasians, when overseas, are so wrong when they set up their own enclaves ? Isn't that exactly what the many immigrants are doing in Australia ? Isn't a church or a mosque an enclave just like a club is or a bar ? The reason why people flock to such places is to be among a familiar group of people. Race & religion have absolutely nothing to do with that. Have you ever tried to become accepted in a remote australian indiginous community ? It takes years just to be tolerated as a necessary evil. Of course, like in every society there are exceptional individuals but in general the aforementioned is the scenario. So, in such a situation what is one to do if one is in need of socialising ? , you go & visit & mix with those you are familiar with & that includes people of another race or religion. Unfortunately, judging by your posts you'll be looking for a long time to find the company of a like-minded.

cj morgan says"not being able to refute my argument"
What argument is that cj?
The one where All Australians are racist
or some Australians are racist
or most Australians are racist?
or anyone who disagrees with your point of view is racist?

to quote....please explain!

individual, I think he was having a go at me for having a go at the immigrants that do that here. Although, I am not saying that I cant undestand WHY they do it, just that by doing so they need to understand that it draws a distinction between them and those that came before.

I dont necessarily have a problem with people sticking with their own as such. But in doing so, they need to come to grips with the idea that the rest of society will view them with suspicion in a lot of cases. The same will apply to white australians sticking to their cultural groups (they will be viewed with suspicion by minorities). Its just human nature. CJ Morgan would argue that this is racist (but only by definition to the white population, which is why I have problems with his/her arguements). I say its fundamental self-preservation - ie being suspicious of something that MIGHT harm you. Does this mean that its good and right? Heck no, but we need to understand that the perceptions of problems is created as much by people wanting to form these enclaves as those who view the enclaves with suspicion. The initial onus on breaking down barriers though should be on those moving to a new country. If this was to happen more, we would see a natural decline in racist attitudes of those that were here first. No perceived threat = no need for suspicion.

mickijo, you said "There was nothing "racist" in Bazz' post, he was simply pointing out facts and numbers".

On the remote chance that you genuinely misunderstood my point about Bazz's racist post, I explained that Bazz's post was racist, due to "his inference that his 'Chinese' and 'of middle eastern appearance' fellow passengers were not Australians, apparently on the basis of nothing more than their appearance."

Rather than addressing the racism that I've demonstrated in Bazz's post, you responded to my explanation with an irrelevant rant about the ALP's supposed political correctness (for the record, I am not an ALP supporter). Now, like other intellectually impoverished wingnuts here, you attempt to distract from the weakness of your position by attributing ideas to me that I haven't expressed.

While I have said that I think that most Australians are racist, I haven't made the other claims you attribute to me. You are a good example of what I actually did say, however.

In a similar vein, Country Gal suggests that I restrict the capacity for racism to the "white population" - except I have written no such thing. I have, however, asked Dresdener (who has made a similar claim in another thread) a simple question in response to his racist contributions to this thread, but he hasn't replied:

"What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?"

Perhaps another Hansonite wingnut could answer that one?

CJ Morgan re
"What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?"
Perhaps another Hansonite wingnut could answer that one?

Can I answer that stupid question with another stupid question ? What nationality are dark haired brown eyed people ?

Individual,

Sigh, actually I spent a large part of my child hood living overseas, where I saw the behaviour I described first hand.

James Purser re
"Sigh, actually I spent a large part of my child hood living overseas, where I saw the behaviour I described first hand."

And I just referred to what I see everyday now as an adult. The thing is when one goes to another land/culture & lives there for a long time one in a way indicates that one has an interest in that place & it's people. That may either be appreciated or disliked. In Australia a lot of surplus public servants are being sent bush for a two year stint & they have absolutely no interest in the wellbeing of the community. Then there are those in the community who, when asked to pull their weight, object to having to contribute to their own living. How do you then socialise when you're faced with that hopeless scenario. You have a small group of like-minded & they are the ones you hang out with & the others do the same in their enclaves. That situation is called REAL LIFE. Of course the half-baked academic city slickers then call the genuine long-termers rednecks or racists. Having a lot more integrity & foresight people like Pauline get crucified by those ignorant left-wingers

"What nationality are blonde-haired, blue-eyed people?

Perhaps another Hansonite wingnut could answer that one?"

More racists under the bed, CJ?

People from Northern European ethnic backgrounds seem more likely to have blonde hair and blue eyes, than say, somebody of East Asian ancestry, do you agree? And since most nations are founded on ethnicity, is it at all conceivable that a Finnish national is more likely to have blonde hair and blue eyes than a Chinese national?

You know, CJ, I'm beginning to suspect that you've got some kind of monomaniacal obsession with 'race' (even though we both know, strictly speaking, there is no such thing). What is driving this unhealthy fixation?

This is a bit like pulling teeth. Dresdener now acknowledges that there is no such thing as 'race' when applied to humans, but can't quite bring himself to confront his own faulty logic.

Of course people's phenotypes reflect the geographical origins of their ancestors, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with their nationality. Dresdener is on firmer ground when he links ethnicity with nationality, but this has little to do with 'race' - rather, the markers of ethnicity are culture, language, shared history, identity etc.

Yes, a Finnish national is more likely to have blonde hair and blue eyes than a Chinese national, but how would you distinguish a Finn from a Swede, Norwegian or Estonian on the basis of eye and hair colour? In fact, if you'd ever been to that part of the world you'd know that there very many Northern Europeans who don't fit your 'racial' stereotype - and I'm not talking about Saami here.

More to the point, how on earth could you discern the nationality of a carriage full of train travellers in Melbourne on the basis of their appearance alone? Dresdener, I'm not "fixated" on 'race', but I think that the deep-rooted racism evident among you Hansonites is one of the biggest problems facing Australian society today.

cj It is obvious that you have problems with race. Would that make you a 'racist'? How many posts will you put in before you find out what the carriage held? Why is it so vitally important to you? Do you have a fetish? Or are you simply a bullying left winger who tries very hard to belittle people who have the misfortune to disagree with your wonderful self.I am very sorry for you.

Dresdener,

I don't think CJ is fixated on race at all. Your should not confuse his erudite approach to race and racism theories with your own benign fear and loathing of anyone who is not white.

One hand you agree there is no such thing as race but simultaneously only want to give it agency when you think it fits your own potty ideas.

Please pull your head out of your backside before you suffocate!

individual,

I'm a little confused about your last post. I was talking about anglo-saxons not mixing into other countries, you seem to have turned into a rant against the public service, dole bludgers and immigrants.

Pauline Hanson in my opinion (and obviously yours differs) plays on the basic mistrust of the different. She does not have a plan for the future, she does not want to move the country forward instead she wants to move it back. I'm sorry, I just can't agree to that. If Pauline Hanson ever achieved power (and no not just as a senator), this country would slide backwards so fast, we'd meet the first fleet coming the other way.

CJ Morgan said: "Of course people's phenotypes reflect the geographical origins of their ancestors, but this has nothing whatsoever to do with their nationality."

You accuse me of faulty logic, but then post a contradictory statement such as the one above. So there is absolutely no overlap between the geographical origins of a population's ancestry and the modern spatial boundaries of ethnically-based nation-states?

"...rather, the markers of ethnicity are culture, language, shared history, identity etc."

For somebody who has spent their life studying such things, I can only assume you are being deliberately mendacious rather than merely ignorant. A common ethnic marker is the claim by members of a group to have shared ancestry, real or imagined.

"Yes, a Finnish national is more likely to have blonde hair and blue eyes than a Chinese national..."

Thank you for admitting the obvious. Wasn't that hard, now was it?

"...but how would you distinguish a Finn from a Swede, Norwegian or Estonian on the basis of eye and hair colour?"

The more cantankerous you become, the more your posts become riddled with logical fallacies. I never claimed there was an exact relationship between nationality and the physical characteristics of a population. Rather, my argument was an inference based on probability. An inference which seems to hold true when comparing the populations of Northern European nations to those of East Asian nations.

To simply observe that the populations of some nations in a particular geography are more likely to have certain physical traits than people from nations in different geographies has nothing to do with 'race'. I know that, and you should to. But then, you are obsessed with this concept of 'race', to point where it seems to be clouding your reasoning.

If this increasingly ridiculous discussion feels like pulling teeth, then why did you bother with the straw man set up in the first place? After all, you first planted and then repeated the question about physical traits and nationality.

And to answer your final irrelevant question, I've only been as far as Denmark.

Rainier said: "Your should not confuse his erudite approach to race and racism theories with your own benign fear and loathing of anyone who is not white."

Unfouded smears and scurrilous character assassinations may be your forte, but I tend to believe that they are the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

Speaking of "race and racism theories", why don't we recycle some of previous vitriolic rants against 'white' people and 'white privilege'?

Seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle white.

Dresdener: "If this increasingly ridiculous discussion feels like pulling teeth, then why did you bother with the straw man set up in the first place? After all, you first planted and then repeated the question about physical traits and nationality."

They say you shouldn't argue with an idiot, because it soon becomes difficult for an observer to distinguish between you and the idiot. My initial questions in this thread were directed at Bazz's appallingly racist post about "Australians" being "swamped" by "Chinese" and people "of middle eastern appearance". I simply asked how he knew that the latter two groups weren't Australians without asking them. This prompted a litany of increasingly stupid invective from the xenophobes and racists, including Dresdener.

Far from me posing the first "straw man" question in this silly thread, it was Dresdener himself who asked me "Ever met a blonde-haired, blue-eyed Chinese citizen?" in response to my statement that "It's impossible to tell someone's nationality from their appearance." I'll give him the benefit of the doubt again and say he's mistaken rather than dishonest.

It's not me who is obsessed with 'race', ethnicity, nationality etc. I have no problems with Australia's increasing diversity - as far as I'm concerned, the more culturally and ethnically diverse Australia is the better. To return to the actual topic, it's the racists and xenophobes who would support the execrable Pauline Hanson's new political party who seem to be obsessed with these issues.

As I've said elsewhere, they are miserable, bitter and fearful people who have only themselves to blame for their unhappiness at Australia's increasingly rich cultural diversity.

James Purser, my posts may be a "Rant' to you but I can assure you these things do go on right here in Australia & now. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that it is so easy for the likes of you i.e. chip-on-your-shoulder uni drop-outs to condemn people who actually experience in everyday life the things of which you can only theorise about. You conveniently fail to acknowledge that "whities" too are in minorities and get discriminated against. It is perfectly normal for people to hang around their own kind. The description of enclaves also encompasses tribes as in aborigine tribe.
Anyhow, this thread is about Pauline's new party. She is not going to get anywhere because integrity, truth & fact are on the condemned list in Australia.

individual,

please detail the "everyday life" that you feel that I cannot experience.

Dresdener, so why are you so angry at non white people?

James purser,
I don't know what you do for a living or what your contribution is to help make a better society. I really don't think you're doing any good at all with statements like "Well Pauline doesn't seem to worried about Asian immigration now a days. She's moved on to the latest "hate of the week". And yes, by definition, it is racist to demand that one group be excluded based on their race. "
Aren't you constantly attacking white australians based on their race ? When i "rant" about my experiences I express what is going on in the so-called "discriminated against" indigenous comunities. I see racism towards whites from indigenous Australians everyday.. When I say that you don't experience everyday life I mean exactly that or do you see it too but think nothing of it ?. Am I now a racist because I state a fact ? Well, I must be, because when Pauline stated facts you branded her a racist too. I re-read her maiden speech in parliament but can't find anything racist in it. By the way, which line in her speech is the "racist" one ?

Pauline Hanson raises issues that strikes fear into people that feel insecure and are pretty basic in their emotions. The Australian electorate are politically niave and when it comes to election time those on the right who not give a damn for the weak or unserprivelidged raise the scapegoat argument. America has it today. We should all praise -Harry Belafonte who shows racists up for what they are. He is todays Political and humanitarian activist
Belafonte's political beliefs are greatly inspired by the man that he still views to this day as his mentor, singer and activist Paul Robeson.

Like Robeson and other African-American entertainers, Belafonte's success in the arts did not protect him from racial discrimination, particularly in the South of the United States. As a result, he refused to perform in the South of the U.S. from 1954 until 1961. In 1960, President John F. Kennedy named Belafonte as cultural advisor to the Peace Corps. Belafonte was an early supporter of the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s and one of Martin Luther King's confidants. He provided for King's family, since King made only 8000 dollars a year as a preacher. Like many Civil Rights activists he was blacklisted during the McCarthy era. He bailed Martin Luther King out of the Birmingham City Jail and raised thousands of dollars to release other imprisoned Civil Rights protesters. He financed the Freedom Rides, supported voter-registration drives, and helped to organize the March on Washington in 1963.

In 1985, he was one of the organizers behind the Grammy Award winning song "We Are the World," a multi-artist effort to raise funds for Africa, and performed in the Live Aid concert that same year. We need more people like Harry Belafonte and less of the likes of Pauline Hanson who should be in GAOL.

individual,

No I am not attacking "white" Australians based on their race. I don't play the "one person does it, so everyone of that race does it" game. I take each person as they come and if I believe that person is doing the wrong thing, I will call it.

Pauline Hansons maiden speach to parliament is interesting. In it she lambasts the UN for not providing enough support from African hospitals, then in the same paragraph she demands that Australia stop all foreign aid. She trots out the national service line, demands that we withdraw from the international economy and conveys the thought that everyone nation in our region is just waiting for us to turn our backs so they can invade.

The most obviously "racist" line is the "swamped by asians" line. The more subtle stuff comes with the attacks on ATSIC and aboriginals. She wanted to stop all native title, programmes to help aboriginal people (such as they were) and "main stream them". She obviously sees things in black and white, which is all fine and well, however real life isn't in black and white, its in shades of grey.

Bronco lane & james Purser,
no-one would argue the points re Harry Belafonte & Raul Robeson. What happened to many of the Africans who were taken & used as slaves was unforgiveable. It is just as unforgiveable of many of those slaves' relatives who sold them to the traders. What about the many who suffered under all the other powers like the Romans, Ghengis Khan, the Cossacks & the list goes on.
Let's get back to Pauline. Yes the australian electorate is naive in the way that they only think about the wellbeing of themselves rather than the nation. You mention JFK re H. Belafonte. Do recall when JFK said "ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country". Buckley's with that in Oz eh ? Foreign aid from Australia should not go both ways i.e. send money AND take in people from those countries which receive aid. You either let the people in (has anybody ever asked the indiginous here whom they prefer to come here ?) or you aid them back in their country. Swamped by Asians ? What number of people makes swamped ? How many Europeans get citizenship in asian countries ? Got any figures ? Shades of grey you say ? I personally believe that society needs rules that are black & white because it's the shades of grey that cause so many problems as it is impossible to cover every little angle. When you allow peoples' every whim you get anarchy. A "free society" does not mean free for all. It means everone is free to pull his/her own weight & not to freely take what others had to work & pay for.
Btw. land itself was not created by the efforts of it's inhabitants.

So you believe in black and white do you? Okay, its illegal to kill someone. Thats pretty black and white. Do you think that you are entitled to kill in self defence? If you were attacked and the only way of not being killed yourself is to kill the other person, should you be charged and convicted with murder?

Not that I follow politics that closely, including Hanson. But to take up on a few things that she has made mention of over the years.

- limitation of immigration:
Much has been directed at groups of immigrants. A lot of this appears based on concern over inherent values and issues of living standards. Eg traditionally the chinese have lived boxed-in in their cities, and generally in slum conditions. Whilst these might not be the people that are immigrating to Australia, one of the basic fears (that I dont think was well conveyed) was that with large number of people immigrating that were happy to live in what we consider to be sub-standard conditions, that we would all suffer a slide as a result. With those from the middle-east a lot of concern hinges on attitudes towards women and towards other cultural/religious groups. These are valid concerns (particularly for those of middle-eastern descent), and should require that we carefully vet immigrants. Its called risk-management.

- anti-globalisation:
This appears to be another of Hanson's concerns (although perhaps not directly expressed in that context). Globalisation could potentially be beneficial. However Australia suffers from it, as we have dropped most of our trade barriers, whilst many of our trading partners have not

cont..

- concerns over the aboriginal population:
Hanson spoke out about special treatment for aboriginal communities. Many aboriginal leaders/commentators have since done similar (eg lambasted the government over not intervening in child abuse cases). Hanson wasnt particularly good at conveying the good intentions behind her messages - mainly the bad ones got through! But consider that treatment of aboriginies as normal australians is overall a good intention. All Australians should be free to practise their cultural heritage (so long as the practices fit into the morals of the general population - eg no mutiliation etc). All Australians should have the right to live where they like in the country. All australians should have the right to basic services even if they have to be provided with travel assistance in order to access those services. There doesnt need to be specially targeted programs for aboriginal australians, but programs overall might need to be expanded to provide the right type and level of assistance particularly to people living in remote areas (both black and white).

Hanson isnt a polished lawyer like most of our policitians. But I see that as a good thing. Whilst I dont think she nor any party that she gets up should be in power, it doesnt hurt to have the likes of her on the fringes of politics, the same way that the democrats and greens, whilst not being mainstream, are able to contribute to overall debate.

James Purser,
You either just don't get it or you can't cope with facts. How did you contract this allergy to reality ? Is killing in self defence murder! What if you're already a muderer & you are defending youself ? No-one wants to get killed, good people or bad.
Anyhow, as this thread is about Pauline's new party I urge you to read this party's policies. Oh & btw, after you've read these policies could you please let us all know which are the racist ones ? I am not a member of this party but their policies do convince me that they are far more pragmatic than any of the major parties. Oh, if you are indingenous what are your thoughts on immigration. Would you welcome more people from Africa, Asia or Europe. I would dearly love to know an indigenous person's view on that.
google 'unitedaustraliaparty.com'

Hi Everybody

Many of your comments are interesting.

Well at least nobody can acuse me of gate crashing this thread.

I dont know Pauline`s Animal Welfare policy or if she is to have one.
We would hope so. If any of you have information regarding that we would appreciate your letting us know.

The old party One Nation have a Ban Live Export and Intensive Farming policy for those of you who may be interested.
Country Girl I have read a few comments on different threads written by you.
I must say we are impressed by your knowledge and fair comments throughout.

Have you ever considered Journo work.?
best wishes from the crew at pale
Well done!

individual,

Dear $DEITY_OF_CHOICE, that site is a complete dogs breakfast. If this is the page you were referring to?

http://unitedaustraliaparty.com/policies.html

I have no aversion to reality, its just that your reality does not mesh with mine. I live in a reality that says discriminating against someone because of where they were born or lived is about as sane as standing on one leg and singing the International while signing the oath of allegiance to the US.

As to which of Pauline Hansons policies are racist? Hmm lets see, banning the Aboriginal flag, banning islamic immigration (because by and large it bans middle eastern and south east asian people), an underlying feeling that everything foreign is some how evil or dangerous. Hows that for a start?

James Purser,
I didn't realise you weren't Australian. Not a patriotic one anyway. Still, I think many on this forum would be interested to hear your views as to where you'd like see more immigration from ? Do they still encourage emigration from your planet or were you the prototype & on that account they abandoned the idea. Tell me, how much immigration is there to islamic & asian countries? Do these countries treat their indigenous better than Australia ? Do they encourage newcomers to form minorty groups & provide social support to them so they can continue to bite the hand that feeds them ? I would be very interested in some statistics. I do not believe that the average Australian gives a hoot where people come from to settle here. I still have to hear an indigenous person's view on that. Where people here get annoyed is when people come to australia under the pretence of getting away from suppressive regimes etc but once here the first thing they do is to recreate their former existance. And, what's more, try & impose it on everyone else. Why on earth leave a place when you don't want change ? Don't you realise that the society & infrastructure you come to was created by the very people & the culture you seem to view with contempt. If people feel that they're not welcome in Australia why don't they emigrate to the middle east or an asian country. Why don't they ? You tell us !

"Tell me, how much immigration is there to islamic & asian countries? Do these countries treat their indigenous better than Australia ? Do they encourage newcomers to form minorty groups & provide social support to them so they can continue to bite the hand that feeds them ? I would be very interested in some statistics."

Multiculturalists generally tend to avoid hard statistics, so don't get your hopes up.

Just remember these simple multicultural orthodoxies:

1. Everybody is supposed to keep their culture, except people of European origins because then it's just 'racist'.

2. All cultures are equal, but non-Western cultures are more equal in terms of preservation.

3. Colonialism is always bad, but not when a Western country is colonised by Third World immigrants.

4. Diversity is to be encouraged, but just not of any opinion critical of multiculturalism, cultural relativism, or mass immigration.

It's like the new Islam - don't question, just obey!

Gradually with Education Australians are becoming more anti-racist.
During the fifties it was quite common for a blue collar worker to use the phrases, Coons, Niggers, Spades, Wogs, Slope Heads, etc. Personally in those days I would pull them up check them and shame them for the basic fools that they were. Today we see blue collar workers united arm in arm in Rights To Work marches organised by the Australian congress of Trade Unions. People can and will live together in harmony from all walks of life no matter from what background your family came from. Tribalism was from the past people in the fifties lived in fear they felt threatened today we do not. That is why the likes of Pauline Hanson and her remarks are now treated as a joke and she cannot string two words together the big problem is that Howard cleverly uses her to divide people.

I like the idea PH goes on youtube and not on "you-tubeless"
I liken her as US's Ron Paul who seems to make headway overthere,making inroads into peoples voices being heard, good on him.Pauline....go girl. You're not getting any help from the media as in the past.Tuberize yourself!

Desdender.

Very well said- Thank you.
Another poster has informed us there is a written MOU between Liberal and Labour NOT to discuss migration before an election.
Thats discraceful when you consider it is very much an issue.
Just as well they have Pauline to level things out a bit.
There is nothing wrong with Australians not wanting to be taken over.
We are proud Aussies and wont tolerate others trying to take over and change our country .
WE are kind and we will welcome you IF? you respect us.

Bronco Lane,
All the name calling you mention is from the whites' english. I assure you that all other societies have an equal amount of phrases to describe those other than themselves. In nearly 30 years in Indigenous communities in North Qld. I have heard phrases which, when translated into english, have no less meaning in their description of others such as the japanese, the papuans, the chinese, the malay etc. and, last but not least, the old "whitie".
But, going back to our resident ET, James Purser & it's fetish with racism. The reason (that's my personal view) why many people from islamic countries desire to settle here is because of a better life in a more tolerant society. The intolerant fanatics suddenly realised that the exodus of those people meant that they were running low on descent folk to use as innocent scapegoats for their incomprehensible mentality. So, plan B was to also go to the countries of the infidel & out of pure jealousy & mindlessness disguised as religion & stir crap. JP, do you really believe that any god would have you in heaven & supply you with several virgins while the missus just watches because you behaved like a dimgit on our planet ? You've got buckley's mate. If anything you'll end up in a cell with Bob Brown & James Kirby while Peter Garrett sits on the top bunk & plays background music on the ukulele. Wake up

wow have just counted the fors and against regarding Pauline United.
So pro rate on Primary and Preferentials Pauline Hanson would be Prime Minister. on this opinion poll.
I have always said that if you ignore a dog it will go away. BUT
in the early thirties their were millions on the streets of Berlin and other German Cities chanting Hail Hitler. After the war it was hard to find an anti Jew. We also saw the mass hysteria with Mussolini and Pinochet frightening. In London there were skinheads handing out leaflets for the National Front it was a sad day after fighting a world war and losing Uncles and Grandfathers in the war against Nazism. Now we see it all again I am Caucasian and have in-laws who have come from countries that 46 comments on this thread hace classed them as second class citizens in this country. Shameful Pauline does appeal to the impressionable, the basics and rednecks and on reading the arguments that they put up within this blog sums them up for what they are. Germaine Greer copied a lot of the progress that happened in Europe she was strong and brought about equality for women in the work place. Women only earned a third of a mans wage. My wife worked hader than any man in her office and only earned a third of their wages. While they sat in the corner picking their nose. Pauline Hanson would not be where she is now if it was not for the Labor Party and the burn your bra brigade they were no shrinking violets. Also do not forget the suffragettes they made sacrifices as did the Paul Robesons, Charlie Chaplin during the days of McCarthyism' Pauline is Australias McCarthy but not as articulate.

BRONCO...the chilling aspect of your report about 'after the war you could not find an anti Jewish voice'....

Applies in Australia now..but not with regard to Jews.. with regard to 'other' fanatics.. they are quiet 'now'..but given power.. it will change 'overnight'
cheers.

Dear Boz
Please do not talk in riddles.
Please make yourself clear.
I am not sure on what side of the fence you are coming from.
I agree that their should not be any live exports and it is in the Labor Party platform to stop that.
Pauline Hanson do we know where she stands on work choice she is a former Liberal so her views are no different to Howard and Co only she is dangerously close to fascism.
Having said that Barbara Bennet is presiding over AWA's and the staff cannot keep up with all of the complaints only a fraction has been dealt with. Howard should hire more Public Servants as many (100,000)employees are missing out

Pauline is just a splinter group from the Liberal Party.
Why vote for Pauline when you can vote for our Party.
She has nothing new to say the law had no right to free her she was out and out guilty. She was used, sucked up then spat out by people that were cleverer than her she was manipulated and is not wise enough to be a Politician. I amy be a Conservative when it comes to Economics and Welfare BUT when a person puts blame onto minorities and use them as scapegoats then they are not worthy as a person let alone being paid by the taxpayer to represent us as a politician. We need Pauline Hanson like a whole in the head.

Thankfully not may Australians supported One Nation as you would like to think. Racism is only for people who cannot see any further than their nose it is a basic instict that goes hand in hand with greed, selfishness, hate, envy. Only Education and showing the light with good deeds can combat such basicness.

Julie.. you say we don't need a Pauline Hanson...but I ask..

DOES YOUR party have the balls to confront radical Islam head on ?

I found out today, that the Quran actually supports or recognizes paedophilia.. ie. sex with pre pubescent girls. (marrying them)

I rang the sex crimes section of Vic police to enquire about this. They said 'Religion is not a defense'....

The relevant verse is in the 'divorce' chapter Surah 65:4 where it refers to a girl who has not YET reached her period.. who can be divorced. Now.. a well known commentator and Islamic scholar Maududi, has said unmistakably that this means a man can marry AND consumate the marriage with the girl of this age.

So..here we have a group of people in our community, who's holy book approves of something most Australian detest.. and are repulsed by..and have the utmost disgust for.. but WHO.. will take them to task for this.. will YOU ? Nope..but I'll guarantee Pauline Hanson will... and don't give me any crap about 'hitting minorities for political gain'

All I can say is GROW SOME TESTICLES..figuratively speaking.

Just toss around the image of a 53 yr old man with a 6 yr old child..and him having sex with her... No.. Mohammad waited till Ayesha was 9, but the Quran would allow him to 'do' her even at 6.

We Jail people who do this, and throw away the key.. but OH WAIT.. "They are a minority"..don't touch.. HAH!

Absolute and complete utter rubbish

Boaz, I know this is just another of your "Islam is evil" rants, but even you have to toe the line occasionally.

>>I rang the sex crimes section of Vic police to enquire about this. They said 'Religion is not a defense'....<<

Surely, that is a good thing? By their deeds shall ye know them, and when they are caught they are punished, while their religion cannot be used as a defense. I would expect nothing less in our country, and from our laws.

>>So..here we have a group of people in our community, who's holy book approves of something most Australian detest..<<

But think about it for a moment, Boaz.

If their holy book says one thing, and they actually do another (i.e. refrain from committing what is clearly a crime in our society), which is out of step? The book or the people?

Don't forget, by their deeds shall ye know them. So, if they decide to interpret whatever it is in the book that gets your knickers in a knot in a different way, who is right - them, or you?

>>We Jail people who do this, and throw away the key.. but OH WAIT.. "They are a minority"..don't touch.. HAH!<<

Just one cotton-pickin' minute there!

Didn't you tell us earlier that the instructions are not "they are a minority, don't touch", but "religion is not a defense"?

Even you cannot have it both ways in the same post, Boaz. Even you.