"Perth school boys endure 'totally inappropriate' corporal punishment at camp.

Boys aged 11 and 12 were forced to kneel outside on concrete in the middle of the night, holding their pillows with their arms outstretched and were yelled at if they dared to move after being rowdy at a school camp.

The corporal punishment was handed down to the Year 7 Como Secondary College students for being "persistently disruptive", according to a school teacher who their parents had entrusted with their childrens' care during a school camp.

The group of boys were among 143 students on their 'transition camp' at Point Peron on March 9 when some of them became disruptive in the middle of the night.

As punishment, a female science teacher made all the boys, as well as those trying to sleep, go outside and kneel on the concrete in a line while holding their pillow with their arms outstretched in front of them."

The poor boys will probably be scarred for life and need counselling for years.

I doubt that ten minutes of kneeling for
consistently causing disruption in the middle
of the night - would cause that much harm.

However, doing a more rigorous form of exercise
to tire them out - would have been a better option.
They might have slept better.

It's difficult to judge the teacher, not knowing
the full facts involved, especially since we don't
know whether she asked for advice from any of the
other staff there. Was this just her own decision,
or one on which they all agreed?

The poor boys will probably be scarred for life and need counselling for years.
Is Mise,
I don't think so at all. If anything, it'll be something they'll brag about in later years !

Since when was that 'corporal punishment'? Have the pussies been spoilt for so long that they don't even know what corporal punishment is!

I am more than happy for kids of this generation to question this kind of crap.

To be punishing all and sundry, even those who were not involved, promotes a sense of not arcing up even when something is deemed terribly unjust. This kind of compliance is exactly what paedophile priests use to rely upon to ensure compliant victims. Some on this forum would know all about that as he has repeatedly defended them.

Absolute crap teaching practices harking back to abusing boarding schools which needs to stop.

I thought punishment these days was to give 3 hours of gw alarmist indoctrination. Just producing more and more snowflakes. Gives the Chinese another reason to treat us with contempt.

runner,

You really do need help.

Which brings me to my comment: Corporal punishment is irrational and contradictory.

Inflicting physical punishment on someone does not send the message that it is wrong to inflict physical punishment.

'Inflicting physical punishment on someone does not send the message that it is wrong to inflict physical punishment.'

no doubt you reason away why many people are more dishonest, we have more crime and child abuse, self entitled brats and contempt for genuine authority ever since we did away with corporal punishments. Try looking at facts instead of your failed narrative.

Opinion,

"Which brings me to my comment: Corporal punishment is irrational and contradictory.

Inflicting physical punishment on someone does not send the message that it is wrong to inflict physical punishment"

It's not supposed to, the infliction of corporal punishment sends the message that such punishment is OK and that if one does the same thing or similar again then expect to be punished.

I grew up in an era when physical punishment was the norm for wrongdoing, out of our class of forty at graduation not one ever went wrong or was a failure in life and I have kept in touch with many of them over the years and consequently heard about the others, death has now taken most of them, one of the consequences of a long life is that one's childhood friends die off.

Funerals take the place of school reunions.

Snowflakes just can't handle the heat !

Is Mise,

But the plus is that the older you get the less funerals you have to attend.

Opinion,

Until the last one, when one is a passive participant.

Wimpish damn teachers today.

She should have used the stock whip, but only on those playing up.

Hasbeen,

Good idea chocolate!

Let's put the stock whip to 5 year olds is they misbehave in class. That'll teach them not to mess with Hasbeen.

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?

And to think some blokes pay good money for a lady dressed in leather to inflict corporal punishment on them.

ttbn, how did you find out runner had a second job? What do you suggest as corporal punishment? Boiling in oil.

Hassy, yes a little tickle with the persuader never hurt anyone.THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!....... BEAT! the little blighters... BEAT! them senseless... BEAT! them till the cows come home! Bring back the lash! Bring back the Christian Brothers! Where are the bros when you need them?

Issy, "out of our class of forty.... death has now taken most of them" What happened at your school, corporal punishment didn't work, so they introduced capital punishment? Hang em', hang em' high! That Hassy is such a woozy on these things.

runner me thinks crucifixion is the answer in your case, no pain, no gain, as they say. It will get you to heaven quicker.

Supreme Pontiff Ram "Rod" O'Toole beat Bob's bare butt nightly and they're a better couple for it.

I recall when the smacking of children was made an offence, if 3yo is about to pull a pot hot water from the stove on to them, does one gently take them aside and explain the dangers after they are scalded or just maybe whack them on the bum and tell them why you did it?

This discussion makes it perfectly clear that the parents & adults are the problem, not the kids !
These people are denying the kids to experience discipline & gain an understanding of common sense. These adults should be charged with perversion of common sense !

Headmaster admits beating boy to death!

http://youtu.be/fZMoB6ms2mE?t=2m15s

Issy, Indy, Hassy, ttbn, runner and any others who support corporal punishment in schools. From your experience, which for the most part is from 60 to 80 yeas ago, and the norm then, for boys was the cane and the strap for girls. Would you like to see those instruments of punishment reintroduced into schools? If you agree,then to what extent, for what offences, and by whom, would you like it administered. Do you have any alternatives?

Paul1405,

I think I can speak for Issy, Indy, Hassy, ttbn, runner and any others who support corporal punishment in saying their response would be: YES! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Paul,

The norm in my school was for class teachers to meet out punishment as they saw fit.
I cannot recall one incidence when punishment was excessive, the teacher on playground duty wore his cane thrust through his girdle but most use of it was to prod the offender as a warning.

The use of the cane had its funny times, I recall a mate and I used to eat a lolly a day in class, which was forbidden and the penalty was one cut of the cane on the left hand, or in the case of lefthanders, on the right.
We were undetected for the first term but were silly enough to boast about our feat.

The first day of term 2 we successfully concealed eating the lollies but the teacher, just before the final bell asked us if we had eaten in class.

As the honour system was the norm in our school [and we couldn't lose face with our peers], we admitted the offence, same for day two and the rest of the term.

Term 3 and the teacher suggested that we promise not to eat in class, which we thankfully did, being heroes was becoming a hazard.

Hi Issy,

"The norm in my school was for class teachers to meet out punishment as they saw fit." How exciting. Is that what you want reintroduced? If you are going to support the reintroduction of CORPORAL PUNISHMENT in schools, then how about an outline of the hows, whens and whys.

Did you know, several of the paedophile Catholic clergy admitted that when severely caning a boy they would get an erection. So the administration of corporal punishment was also a sexual experience for some. How exciting, I'll call it the runner syndrome.

Between the bashing's, the buggering and the religious indoctrination, its a wonder they found time to teach anybody anything.

The cane was used extensively by "the brothers" (such an irksome term) in my school days. I could relate several instances of its excessive and sadistic use.

In this enlighten age I believe most teachers, the vast majority, would be sickened by the thought that they would be required, as part of their daily duties, to wack and beat children as young as five, with sticks and straps etc.

My older brother was a state school teacher in NSW for about 50 years, as far as I am aware he never reached the level of failure that he had to resort to bashing the children in his care.

Come on fellas, gives us your ideas on this.

Some kids need an extra slap but most will get the message after just a little clip behind the ear.
Discipline is even dished out by animals who are not as spoiled as far too many kids. Only stupid, indoctrinated humans think they're beyond discipline. Wrong ! They're the ones who need it most !
Those who are worried about a little hurt should consider the hurt that lack of discipline causes later when these snowflakes have morphed into heartless & devoid of any sensitivity droids !
Don't like the idea of mindless morons inflicting pain on society ? Well, support the reintroduction of a National Service ! After all, those who are against discipline are always the ones who squeal loudest when they're at the receiving end, usually the half-backed academic types !

Paul,

Can't resist having a go at the Catholic Church, can you?

All that I can relate is my own experience and, frankly, I think that it was a good system and as I said earlier none of my classmates went wrong in later life and some became pillars and leaders of their communities.

But if you want a modified system then restrict the enforcement of corporal punishment to the Headmaster and his deputy.

Over the years I've known many good teachers who gave up the job (it's not a profession) because of the lack of discipline both in students and parents.

Paul1405,

There are a lot of people who take offence at you using the term 'paedophile Catholic clergy'.

I think you should lighten up because it is obvious you are just trying to be a troublemaker.

I think something like 'Pells Angels' would be a much more appropriate term.

I don't know if it would be considered corporal punishment, but as a school cadet under officer, in charge of a platoon of 30 cadets, I was responsible for discipline.

Our favored punishment handed down over the years was a jogging lap of the oval, or parade ground, with the old faithful Lee-Enfield 303 rifle held above the head.

If no suitable running area was available, 5 minutes with the rifle in one hand with the arm extended fully to the side was applied. Part of the ritual of promotion to cadet under officer at our school at least, & probably at most, was to undergo both these punishments so we knew exactly what we were ordering.

The 303 rifle is not that heavy initially, but becomes extraordinarily so after a few minutes. Peer pressure meant the cadet had to complete the order, or forever be considered inferior.

Pity there is not such a simple way to discipline criminals.

Torture is not discipline.

Can't resist having a go at the Catholic Church, can you? Yes Issy, just as you can't resist supporting the gun crazies at every opportunity.

Those supporting violence towards children, are the same mob of right wing fanatics who support domestic violence, violence towards women, violence towards animals, violence against those they disagree with, gun violence, police violence, military violence, community violence, violence towards ethnics and aboriginals. They support all kinds of intolerance towards minorities, then support acts of violence towards them as well. Have I missed any, let me know lads! Some will even admit to past military or police employment. These blokes who thrive on violence, got several on the forum, probably get off on violent movies and video games as well.

Ah, for the good old days. It was not uncommon at my high school to be lined up and caned as a class group. That included the girls too. It was even handed.

Dan

"It was even handed."

Not in my school, the writing hand was never hit unless it was the maximum of six cuts; 1,2 or 3 on the nob-writing hand or 3 on both.

I never saw more than three administered.

Torture is not discipline.
Riely,
Stupid, out of proportion quips are torture to many !

diver dan,

You were lucky going to a co-ed school.

If you had gone to an all boys especially Catholic school you probably would have got six lashes with the old one-eyed trouser snake.

Not the sort of thing one would want to run home to tell mum about. And a lot didn't as we now all know.

What is so difficult about understanding the difference between discipline & punishment ?

individual

We're listening, please explain it to us.

Mr Opinion,
You're in dire need of both & some education !