ALTRAV,

I accept climate change, I just don't care about it or worry about it. You can't fight nature.

Climate change should get a break for a while, though, thanks to the corona virus, which the media and kneejerkers are hyperventilating about currently.

"Scientists know HOW the CO2 has a warming effect"

Scientists also released a pandemic bioweapon upon mankind.
If these people get good at their jobs, they might just wipe out all human life on the planet.

Armchair,
Counterpart was a very good TV series, but was not reality!

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ttbn,
Whether you can fight nature depends on what you mean by "fight". Humans have altered many environments and sent many species extinct.

When we've sent atmospheric CO2 levels 50% higher than they would naturally be, blaming nature is a copout to avoid admitting responsibility.

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ALTRAV,
I see you're shifting the goalposts to robotics in general! Japan's good at factory robotics, but not as good as Australia in field robotics.

>As for our dollar devaluation, there are too many factors, all of them based on external market forces.
Too many factors for what? Haven't you noticed many of them cancel each other out? The number of factors is not proportional to the damage they cause.

>If we leave it to the market, we will be raped.
If leaving it to the market is akin to rape, a centrally planned internal devaluation is akin to genocide!

>What the consumer is supposed to look at over time is that a 30% drop in wages along with all the
>other factors affecting manufacturing, energy, govt charges and so on, EVENTUALLY will result
>in us being competitive again on the world markets, and so we will get orders and job growth.

Ah yes, they're supposed to look at the positives and ignore the ruination of their living standards!
Never mind that all those other factors won't behave as you assume them to.
Never mind that the government can always create job growth just by putting more money into the economy...

It's all moot anyway. Our uncompetitiveness is a figment of your imagination; Australia has been running a trade surplus for the last couple of years! See http://tradingeconomics.com/australia/balance-of-trade

And climate denialism is fraudulent no matter how many videos they have on Youtube.

Aidan, I realise OLO is an "opinion" based forum, but I believe that some opinions are just that, with little or no factual or natural content.
All that I say is speculative and merely suggesting the obvious.
The fact that there exists forces with selfish agenda to counter or stop what I suggest is not unusual.
I completely dissagree with the notion that, all the govt has to do is print more money to achieve absolutely NOTHING but debt and put us further in the poo.
You incorrectly assume we will lower our standard of living, with my suggestion.
I was specific in saying that our standard of living will NOT change.
We will NOT see any difference except for the price of imports, and as I said, they can go and get stuffed, because imports means money leaving Australia.
My way we can export once more and thereby creating jobs.
Sure we will have to make sacrifices, so what, as an example, I see it as if we are in the sh!t and could not afford to make a car repayment.
You can either do nothing and wait for it to be repossessed, in which case you are trusting a bunch of thieves to auction your car off and get 'nothing' for it, or you can advertise it yourself and at least have some control in getting the best price for it.
Those people with mortgages won't feel anything other than having to take longer to pay off their homes.
Those with investment properties are speculators, they new they were putting their money or borrowing against something that could go either way, like shares.
Now, no one on this side of the fence is denying anything which is true.
We are denying that GW is man made, it's not!
The planet is doing what it has done forever, we just were not here when it last warmed up.
It will eventually cycle back to a cold period.
It turns out that first the planet warms, and then CO2 in the ocean is slowly released relative to the temperature rise.

Aidan, I forgot to mention, our income has nothing to do with labour.
The only and main exports we have are ALL land based, like, mining, farming, and so on.
WE are nothing, do not exist, in the REAL world of exports.
WE have NO discernible manufacturing industry, no value added exports worth talking about, and the list goes on.
What kind of fruitless endeavor are you talking about, that makes you think that printing money actually brings money into the kitty?
EXPORTS, EXPORTS, EXPORTS, got it?
Thank God we are lucky enough to have iron ore, coal, gas, wheat, animal exports, and so on.
Aidan, these industries have very few people, we need value added jobs, and we need those items that have been value added to be exported, this will NOT happen unless we lower our labour rates.
Sorry to tell an inconvenient truth, but Aussies have been living the good life, the high life, waaaay above their natural living standards.
As they say in economics, instead of a downturn or similar, they say we are having a "correction".
Correction my arse, it's a downturn, it's a negative, it's bad.
So instead of printing money and only making our situation worse, we should be tightening our belts, taking stock and accepting that we need to turn things down a little, and yes there will be pain, but if every player, especially the govt joins in, demand will increase, jobs will increase, exports will increase, and we will end up with the ideal result.
Our standard of living does not change, because our internal costs have all come down together at the same rate.
The only thing to change is imports becoming more expensive.
So what, buy Australian or those people can go and get stuffed as well, if they don't like it, I for one, don't care.
So Aidan if you can't see that if we don't curb our internal costs, like wages, it will be done for us in the end, and trust me, it will not be pretty.
So let's fix things ourselves before others do.

Dear Armchair critic,

In the Interest of the People has some reasonable stuff but a far amount is overblown. Which is kind of understandable as these guys are in bed with the Citizens Electoral Council and they most certainly are a weird mob.