ALTRAV,
It looks like you've just discovered one little part of what the climatologists knew decades ago, but because of your irrational belief that CO2 does not cause warming, you've completely misunderstood its implications.

You've found one half of a feedback mechanism. Warming (originally from a change in the solar radiation we receive) causes more CO2 to be released, which causes more warming, which causes more CO2 to be released, which causes more warming...

Eventually another change in the amount of solar radiation the planet receives results in cooling and a decrease in CO2, which results in more cooling and a further decrease in CO2 levels, resulting in more cooling.

And because of that, atmospheric CO2 levels have fluctuated with minima between 180 and 200ppm, and maxima between 280 and 300ppm.

And because of human activity, we're currently at 420ppm.
Despite a small decline in the amount of solar radiation we're receiving, the planet is still getting warmer.

ttbn,
In most countries right is as aware of the causes of climate change as the left is.
Anyway, we have plenty of other stuff in the ground, like iron ore, bauxite, copper and zinc ores etc.

I hope your lack of response regarding digital technology is a sign you're researching it more, rather than a case of ignoring it because it doesn't suit your narrative.

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ALTRAV,
Just because everything has a labour component to it doesn't mean the value of the goods is closely related to it.

>The demise of Australian employment of ALL industries, is simple, the pay rate/scale!
No, it's even simpler: it's a figment of your imagination. Australian companies are still profitable! Australia is a strong exporting nation, and a world leader in field robotics and biotechnology.

And your solution is plain dumb:
>Firstly we reduce our costs, wages, taxes, energy and so on.
>And I mean by a third to a half, not some piddly 3 or 4%.
You want to reduce the living standards of Australians!

And you demonstrate your ignorance when you say:
> This method does not affect our cost of living because our internal costs will reduce,
>as long as everyone follows through, like the govt reducing their huge fuel gouging
>tax, and a million other costs.
Our fuel tax, which is low compared to most western countries, is used to fund our transport infrastructure. Do you want to see that neglected?
And not everyone can follow through. No bank will reduce your debt level just because you're earning less.

As I said above, our uncompetitiveness is a figment of your imagination. But hypothetically if we were uncompetitive, the market would devalue or dollar, which would automatically make us competitive again. Your idiotic internal devaluation plan would be completely unnecessary.

Aidan, it will keep getting warmer until it reaches it's natural highest temp, then begin a slow return to it's coldest natural limits.
CO2 will automatically move in and out of it's natural haven's and will adjust accordingly.
CO2 levels many years ago exceeded what we are seeing today.
It will keep rising until it reaches it's natural saturation point based on such things as flora demands.
Ultimately we do not produce enough CO2 to make any effect on the planet.
The worse that is going to happen is the earth will undergo an increase in vegetation, which has been slowly happening, and in places where it was once baron.
This is normal and has been going on since the world was began.
My point is, what is happening is natural and not of man's doing.

Aidan, ny "plan", as you put it is one of the few that would work, irrespective of your objections.
If you take a more broadened and pragmatic look at what I suggest, you cannot but see the value and subsequent benefits.
Your steadfast assertion that Australia is competitive, IN ANY WAY, is a figment of YOUR imagination.
For God's sake man, why do you refuse to see what's going on around you.
Govt's are not there for the good of the people.
And if you expect to rely on "the markets" for any answer, your not as aware as you believe.
The answer relies on US doing something about our situation, not someone else.
Everyone else is busy lining their own pockets, and will take ANY opportunity to shaft ANYONE, given the chance.
No if we don't devalue ourselves, no-one is going to do it for us.
You are wrong when you say that Australian companies are world leaders.
They are world leaders of nothing except your imagination.
Anything we have done of note is not of any real value to our bottom line as a nation, like mining, and farming exports.
As for your misguided remarks on our standard of living dropping if we use my formula, you obviously did not read or understand what I wrote.
What I wrote is that by reducing all these internal expenses, everything drops so when you go to the shop you will still be able to buy the same goods and services as before because the cost to cost ratio drops across the board.
What I said was that the cost of imports will be dearer, to which I said, they can go and get stuffed, implying that we buy Aussie, instead of imported.
All that I said will never happen because of the greed and averace of certain people who believe that keeping prices high helps such things as taxation and inflation, which if you have any idea of such things, ultimately proves to be a huge impost on the consumer.
My way the only thing to suffer are the imports!

Wow, ALTRAV, you really do have your head in the sand!

You're so convinced that CO2 isn't to blame that you're grasping at whatever straws you can see. Scientists know HOW the CO2 has a warming effect, but your cognitive dissonance means that you're under the delusion impossible for CO2 to have caused the current warming. And you regard the world's climate scientists as either corrupt or incompetent because they don't share your delusion!

Tell me, is your belief a reaction against the (incorrect) hypothesis that taking action to avert climate change would require the abandonment of capitalism? And if not that, what?

You don't seem to appreciate that it has been FOURTEEN MILLION YEARS since atmospheric CO2 levels were higher than they are today. And although the rate of temperature change is still just about in the subtle zone, sudden changes have occurred before and were catastrophic. Have you ever heard of the Permian Extinction?

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If Australia is not the world leader in field robotics, who is?
If we're so uncompetitive, why do you think the markets haven't devalued our dollar a lot more?
Why do you pretend that mining, and farming exports are "not of any real value to our bottom line as a nation"?

Internal devaluations are politically pretty near impossible, and with good reason. The prices of everything DON'T suddenly drop at all, let alone by the amount wages drop. People have the same debts, but with less money coming in it's harder to service them.

What do you imagine a consumer would gain from having his wages drop 30%, compared to having the value of the Aussie dollar drop 30%

Aidan, I know mining and farming are good for our bottom line.
I did not proof read, as I was in a hurry to get the comments out asap.
The world leaders in robotics are Japan, Korea, and a couple of others I can't think of at this moment.
As for our dollar devaluation, there are too many factors, all of them based on external market forces.
My suggestion is that if we do it, we can do it in a controlled way.
If we leave it to the market, we will be raped.
What the consumer is supposed to look at over time is that a 30% drop in wages along with all the other factors affecting manufacturing, energy, govt charges and so on, EVENTUALLY will result in us being competitive again on the world markets, and so we will get orders and job growth.
As for my head in the sand on CO2, see the following;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmUS7PAWFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMF9aMI-9ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

And these are just a few, there are too many now for any alarmists to refute this attack on us based on lies and fraud.
If you need more proof, just ask.