David
Fair dinkim you remind me of some polys I know. I posted this to you on another thread but you simply ignored it.
- Ok David the first book you keep going on about was written seventy years after his death.- It was then! written in Greek.
Back in those days they thought anybody disabled was possessed by the devil. Likewise with people with mental illness.
Also if we went by that book our space ships would hit rock and the end on the world.
Until the church starts to modernise itself people will bag them
That does not mean the church should not be good desciples of God and spead love and kindness to all.
I have both asked you - and given you along with the church leaders something to work on.
You have always ignored it.
Also going a long way back Celivia had a thread going in which you pretty much-[ almost] did not get involved with.
Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth David. Here I am again David saying yo! over here!
Did you and the church Leaders know the Government are looking at giving Islam free range to take over riutual Slaughter in Australia?
Do you people even know what that will involve?
It will mean Australia is working under Islamic Ritual Slaughter laws. It means we ALL will by under Allah.
Perhaps you wont comment because this ALSO involves the CRUEL Kosha slaughter. KOSHA THE MOST CRUEL OF ALL!
May I suggest- with respect you people start living in todays world its 2007.

Yo...you over there.. Pale :) I seeee you....

I was not very aware of the proposal to allow ritual slaughter, but the details might be worth knowing. 'taking over' sounds a bit much, but if you can fill in the gaps there.. it would be good. I am aware of some abbotoirs which slaughter in that way, but not specific names.

Yep.. to me it simply comes under the heading "Sharia by stealth" and in case you are wondering what I am 'doing' about this overall idea, I'll be out on the streets on 9/11 DEMONSTRATING "No Sharia" along with 10s of 1000s world wide who will be doing the same..and under the same logo.
I'll also be in touch with State Politicians over the next months with co activists on various related issues. Not 'quite' kicking their doors down :)

Chappy...yep, I'm aware of that background with the numbers 777 etc.
thanx for the contribution.

David

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/03/1995804.htm

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/action_alerts/get_angry/

The details are as follows-

The word Halal means lawful. Halal Meat and all other cooking products is lawful meat under Islamic law. If the Animals is not a sacrifice to Allah then its unlawful[ haram]

Now to us I guess its fair to say who gives a toss about a Muslim Slaughter man saying a few words while slaughtering an animals.

The problem is in the extreme want us not to use any pre stunning methods.
You should be aware Halal is a five billion dollars a year industry and growing.

Around six years ago Islamic leaders made it known to the Australian Government they would have liked all Australian Abattoirs to be Halal.

In other words they simply asked nicely would that be possible.
The Government back then rightfully said no.

Now not so long before a Federal election this is back on the table.

please read the avove links.

The truth is David there can never be such a thing as Muslim Australians if the Muslim Leaders of Australia must follow follow allah first and Australian law second.

http://www.worldhalalforum.org/

Rodger Fletcher runs a very successful business and supplies Halal products using pre stunning which is readily excepted by many Muslims.

Not forgetting the cruel Kosha method we need to ask why the Government would now consider putting Animal Welfare in this country back into the dark ages of the middle east.

There is huge funds involved here David and if the church Leaders dont start screaming about Animal Welfare standards for once in their lives they wont be around in a few years time.

This is going to make Australia an Islamic Ritual Slaughter Country.
We of course are not racist but very concerned about such cruel methods being made lawful [or Halal] in Australia.

Whilst we are tolerant of Islamic, as we are of other religious beliefs, there must be an distinction made between what we in Australia accept, and what we don’t. In certain Islamic countries, stoneing is permitted, we don’t accept this in Australia, and Muslims themselves respect our position. If the extreme form of
Ritual Halal killing is inhumane, it should not be permitted.

Many people are vegetarian due to certain beliefs. I am sure if Muslims were deeply worried about the stunning of animals prior to killing them, then it is not unreasonable to suggest they too become vegetarians. This is small sacrifice to a person committed to their religion.

However, Australia itself has indelible blemishes on its record regarding treatment of animals.

I fully support People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming in his/her stance on issues regarding export and intensive farming of animals. Until we treat all animals humanely with deference to their well-being as sentient creatures we cannot consider ourselves ethical, humane or civilized.

The RSPCA would undoubtedly sue a person if they kept a pet in the conditions used in intensive farming; and rightly so. Forensic psychiatrists have found strong links between children who are cruel to animals and who later become killers, often serial killers. Yet as a society, we permit industrial cruelty as good for the economy.

Any voices in protest are either muted or ignored. When the $ counts for more than the suffering experienced by these animals, we are in trouble. This is at complete variance with any decent society. A society is judged by how it treats its must vulnerable. With increasing scientific knowledge of animal behaviour, intelligence, and sentience, we can no longer disregard them as “ just” being animals, or having “bird brains”.

As to birds, it is obvious that certain species would not survive in the wild, and other species have to be protected against preditors. But their enclosures should be large enough to ensure comfort and stimulation.

As for parrots being caged, this is reprehensible. Here I feel the RSPCA negligent and outdated in its policies. Most parrot species live to over 100 years, are very intelligent, yet are confined in small containers, some so small they can barely extend their wings. To confine them thus is undeniably cruel. If a human was confined this way, it would be considered extreme torture.

From personal experience I know that birds bond very well with humans. They need neither cages, nor their wings clipped to be kept as pets. They might fly into nearby trees, but return not just for food, but to spend most of their time following one around, in mutual enjoyment of one’s company.

I see that yet another thread has been hijacked by the SIFs.

We seem to have the collective attention span of a gnat. Why can't we all... oh look, a rainbow!