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SR,

" It wasn't the EU asking for repeated extensions, it was the bloody poms."

True. And the EU kept granting them. Very strange behaviour for people who were, you claimed, anxious "to rid themselves of the whinging poms".

The fact is that both the British political class and the Eurocrats were anxious to reverse the Brexit referendum. That's why a 2nd referendum was always their priority. For them, on both sides, the game plan was to draw it out, make it so complex and hard to achieve that the Brits would eventually throw their hands up and surrender to their political 'betters'. It had worked before with quite a number of 'do-over' votes in the past getting people who'd voted the wrong way to do as they were told.

The problem for the anti-Brexiteers on both sides of the channel was that the Brits (surprisingly!) were made of sterner stuff and had leaders like Farage who kept them on topic. So a 2nd vote was out of the question since every poll showed it'd fail. They're game was to kill it in parliament and then get a claytons Brexit where nothing changed.

Now that all that's out the window, their apologists are anxiously trying to claim that black is white.

"Don't go rewriting history already"

My experience is that often, people complaining of history being re-written, are in fact expressing shock that there was a history that they were unaware of.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 11:45:57 AM
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Runner RUOK that post do you truly believe it?.
Do you like women? yes, know the act of recreation is the original sin for some faiths [while sexually assaulting little boys is not?].
But what evidence can you produce to first clear him, second prove some left conspiracy is behind his current troubles.
A that the women lied ?.
I hope you are ok, I truly watched a few mates outlive their brain it hurt.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 2:27:56 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Struth mate you do make things up.

The poms could have left with a hard exit at any time. They didn't. Even Boris wouldn't do it. The EU repeatedly cut them slack yet you are somehow claiming it was just a conspiracy to make the UK stay and it is all the EU's fault?

That is just ludicrous.

As for Farage repeatedly lying to the public was his main contribution. Now you are lauding the little twerp.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 3:24:22 PM
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SR,

" yet you are somehow claiming it was just a conspiracy "

I deliberately DIDN'T use the word conspiracy because I knew you'd then go off on a semantic tangent. But you did it anyway. When you've got nothing else...

"it is all the EU's fault"
Specifically didn't apportion blame. Both the Eurocrats and the British political class had the same aims. Their efforts almost succeeded but for Johnson, his closest advisors and Farage.

If the EU really wanted the UK out they could have forced it any time after Article 50 was activated. They didn't because they didn't. (want them out).

"As for Farage repeatedly lying to the public was his main contribution."

Saying things you don't want to be true isn't lying.

The real worry for the EU is a British success post-Brexit. Trump has promised a hasty trade agreement. The rest of the anglosphere will follow suit. Most of the Remain scare-campaign will be shown to be wrong. London will remain the financial hub of Europe. Maybe even more so. Some of the countries in the old eastern bloc who are not entirely thrilled with Merkel's moslem out-reach will be looking at Britain carefully and pondering whether they might get out from under the Franco-German authoritarians also. That's what keeps the Eurocrats up at night.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 6:43:56 PM
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The election result confirmed Britain, part of it wanted to leave the EU.
It too showed Corbyn's policies, his march back to the mid-1950,s, was a joke
But the most important thing, time will prove, is the not conservatives MUST relook at and renew, their policies
Bring the voters to them? more like bring those parties to the voters
Or? concede they do not want to win elections
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 6:06:39 AM
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It would appear that Labour has largely abandoned the working class. It is notable that the red islands in the electoral map are largely university towns.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 12:44:26 PM
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