We don't yet know what Jackie Lambie won from Morrison
But if he wants to save this country billions and bring Howard like numbers to him he should stop offshore detention
Hear Tony Abbott's admision he wished he had looked closer at the Malaysian solution and breath life in to it
Keep Christmas Island open, after the deal[ with Malaysia or another near north neighbor is done] send all boat people straight to that country without delay
It is important, understand that country, all those around it,would within a year, have zero refugees wanting to come here or NZ
Yes we take more than we send, not forever, but we stop the boats forever
In the next ten years, maybe far less, world wide, refugees will not be as welcome in any western country, not mass arrivals in any case
Harsh? yes! but middle Australia wants an end to the boats and both left and right must see this at least, ends years spending money we could on other things, so boat people will continue to be a political weapon

Why not just declare once & for all that Australians do not want their Nation to eventually become a Muslim Nation solely on grounds of numbers. If Muslims wish to live in a Muslim Country then they should head elsewhere for asylum !

An important issue indy, this country, its voters, do not want the boats to continue
The costs alone warn it should end
My thoughts are these, we stand accused by many including the whatever the international refugee thing is called
Too see other countrys starting to make it harder to enter
This is in my view a middle of the road solution not going to get support from left or right but the best achievable outcome
See it helps other countrys, too
We, every country in the world, could, to assist endless mass refugees, make aid work, stop gifting corrupt officials
And [remember the wanted outcome is less refugees] see UN by any means it takes, removes leaders that bring about the refugees in the first place
Your out rightly racist, idea is not achievable and never will be

A solution I have always favoured, and one that would stop the people trafficking trade is to swap every illegal entrant for two, or even three, people from the horrendous camps in Africa. Chose people who have been waiting for years. Surely the UNHCR would be agreeable to this and people trying to come here illegally would soon learn of this scheme and realise they would end up in the camps and not this country.
Similar to the Malaysian scheme but would put them further away from here and discourage another attempt.

Don't we have enough homeless Ozzies, with our bring in even more basically useless people to fill what what ever public housing is left. Chuck out the boat people & the humanitarian refugees intake, & we would have housing for all.

These people have an open invitation for a free flight home, any time they want it. There is nothing else we owe these gate crashers, & in fact that is more than they are worth.

Let them in & the flood gates will open. The people smugglers have boats ready to load, & are funding many of the misguided activists who want to let more in.

I'm surprised you are not more aware of the facts Belly.

Big Nana that is the very reason the Malaysian solution was stopped
For a while, not forever, we would have taken[under the agreement] ABOUT 4 for every one we sent them
But the outcome WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE BOATS FOREVER
The world is finding it difficult, having arrivals who, not all but too many, want little to do with our culture
Within two decades many arrivals will be seen to have harmed others wanting to come here
Because they refuse to become one of us

Belly,
So, put forward YOUR idea of a solution to the Muslimisation by stealth ?

Belly, the idea of making it known that Australia does not want muslim
immigration is NOT racist !
Islam is NOT a race, it is a religion !

It is a religion that advocates the murder of those who are not moslims.

Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or
refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29)
Many other such verses.

Surely someone who believes this should not be allowed to enter
Australia and if they are already here should be deported.

The Koran should if possible be declared a book of hate and destroyed.

Belly, it is just as well Foxy retired as she would be in a real tiz.

OK on starting this thread I knew it would see me condemned
But here are both my reasons and my understanding of the future in this area
Few of my party's left understand Rudd introduced offshore detention.
Frankly after he buggered the whole thing up
Even fewer understand no party, mine or yours, ever likely to govern, will ever bring those detainees here
To do so would kill the party that did it
Now the purely racist anti Muslim comments, a thread called Multiculturalism is a failure if posted will leave room for that type of comment
Greens have nice wishes as my left has, to bring them here, *never giving any thought to the fact hundreds even thousands of boats would follow*
Now the cruelty is known, but how many understand *activists telling them to hold on we will give in* is torturing them needlessly
My party is *not trusted * in this field, we will, as we must, not ever again, make that huge mistake wandering away from even our own voters
Continued

I KNOW, this thread, my comments will see me thought of as other than the true Socially active activist I am
But see this from a worldwide view, see the start of closing the doors to mass refugees
See too if we select who comes folk will not act so firmly on this
First as it becomes truly international FORCE and end to dictatorships and corrupt leaders, with war if it takes that
Give more aid but only to honest true use, be firm be sure
It after all, for the whole world, is in our best interests to help them stay home
We, our country, is being condemned in the UN not truly concerned about that but racism? work towards a better world never a worse one

see the start of closing the doors to mass refugees
Belly,
the very first thing the Westerners must do is to stop referring to them as "refugees'. They are soldiers, quiet invaders ! And, they're out to ruin the world if our consumers don't beat them to it !

did not Abbott, Morrison and Dutton stop the boats. Every leftist journalist said it was impossible. 'The push factors', blah blah. Egg all over their faces they supported Phelps, Banks, Keneally and other aussie haters who wanted the boats to start up again. You would think Labour would just shut up along with the journalist. I suppose we still have about 40% Labour/Greens voters that are so deluded and hate the fact that a few brave men did the right thing for this nation.

Runner I hope the openly racist but Christian [if only in your mind] post has room for truth
John Howard first stopped the boats, and won blue collar workers over in doing so
Rudd/Gillard ruined his achievement, they wanted to be kind
And showed us [their only early achievement] it started even more boats coming
Voters demanded then now and in the future they stop forever
Then the ALP introduced offshore detention
Abbott strengthened it
Voters continue to demand it
IF every new arrival, was white Christian, voters would demand we select migrants /refugees
Hard for some to see, read about Nordic countrys banning the burka, the world very soon, will confront refugee flows that are out of control

When compassion is letting itself being exploited it is no longer compassion !
It's plain stupidity !

Belly, Belly, Belly,
How can you say that runners last post was 'racist', no race or ethnicity was mentioned. Runner was entirely correct and updated your little historical narrative by showing that Abbott, Morrison and Dutton stopped the boats after Rudd and Gillard invited them again. All of Labor (including you) and the media said it could not be done

Funny that you accuse runner of racism where none exists and you speak of truth when you cannot recognize it yourself.

What is needed now is for us to stop all muslim arrivals now because of their inability to integrate and their likelyhood to become terrorists. Everyone that we have locked up for terrorism is a muslim.

Labor would have a winner if they advocated that.

HenryL you do know the offshore detention we started was the tool Abbott used?
Now the thread continues to push the Malaysian solution
It is the only answer seen so far that stops the boats forever
Too in doing that we can close offshore detention
Keep Christmas Island open,sent every arrival there
Send [make it a law and part of any such deal as Malaysian] all those who have no papers there to await transfer to that overseas country
Not based on faith nationality but every one
Then give consideration to deliberate over stayers taking that same path
Morrison, we are told a rumor at least, intends to make every arrival aware they are banned for life from ever coming here
A start but will it stop the boats.

The world will follow population growth and ever increased refugees/migration will force it

Henry,

Not really - go along to any citizenship ceremony and you will find Muslims eager to integrate into Australian society.

And just this week, a white nationalist was found guilty of terrorist preparations.

Certainly, any terrorism charges should be treated very firmly. Sentences for terrorism should be longer, and such prisoners kept in isolation from each other. Frankly, I don't have much confidence in so-called deradicalisation.

Cheers,

Joe

Oh dear;There is only one group of people who are a significant problem.
Overstayers are not a problem, just hand them to the airline they came in on.
If they do not have a return ticket then we may have to pay the fare.
An alternate, visitors must have an open return ticket to be held by immigration.
The Malaysian solution was I think a non-solution. Being a Moslem
country I suspect they would just prepare them for another attempt.

No easy solutions it just needs a hard nosed attitude to be adopted.
Ignore the UNHCR committee, it is staffed by the worse human rights
countries on the planet.

Joe,
Correction, Go to any citizenship ceremony and and you may find muslims obtaining Australian citizenship. They do so for the advantages it gives them, it does not mean they are integrating into our society. You know, of course, that muslims are allowed to lie to infidels if is to their advantage.

Have our police actually found a non muslim they can charge with a terrorism offence, and only last week. I missed that so would appreciate a link, it will be worth reading.

Belly,
No, we need off shore detention for as long as those there refuse to return to their homeland. The Gillard scheme was a brummy, we get 4 for every one we send, what a joke. In any case the boats have stopped but we must maintain vigilance. The threat now is from muslims that come by air as refugees and immigrants. Muslims have never made any secret that they intend to take over the country eventually and as their numbers rise so will their political influence.

My idea is to stop all muslims from coming here, not based on race or nationality, but purely on culture alone.

My idea is to stop all muslims from coming here, not based on race or nationality, but purely on culture alone.
HenryL,
I go along with that & would add that the Australian Citizenship Oath must include denouncing all other allegiance with a doctrine to denounce or override the Australian Constitution.
Refusal to accept that anytime after getting Citizenship and/or for permanent residency must be instant deportation to the place of departure to Australia.

Hi Henry,

Try this:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/05/far-right-extremist-phillip-galea-found-guilty-of-plotting-terror-attacks-in-melbourne

As for Tekiya, purposefully lying, it may be a little paranoid to assume that all Muslims, men, women and children, are out to get you and only pretending to integrate, that as soon as the time is ripe, they'll cut your throat. Is that it ?

Isn't it possible that many Muslims simply go through the motions, like Christians and everybody else, and don't give much of a thought to the deep meanings of their religion ? I'll bet that, if a contest was held with a $ 10,000 prize, for a Muslim to answer deep questions about something in the Koran, the great majority would have to admit they've never read it.

And when you hear about an epidemic of Muslim women in nikabs robbing banks, or Muslim children stabbing some other kid in school, let us know.

Certainly come down hard on any act of terrorism (or plotting such an act), whether it's from white nationalists or Islamists. And of course, thorough investigations of would-be refugees. But perhaps we should assume that, in the absence of such an act or evidence of intention, we can assume cautiously that people are innocent of such heinous crimes.

Joe

Joe

loudmouth2,
I think we should sue your parents !

HenryL and Bazz, the idea is to save billions of dollars just here in this country
Too by closing every offshore detention center stop, *forever* the boats
Some clearly, have a fall back position of banning Muslims, even sending them home
Pauline Hanson has similar unworkable plans
Close offshore detention
Use Christmas Island, after the deal is done send every arrival to the host country for? detention we in part fund, only till the boats no longer arrive
Do not stop taking migrants or refugees, and yes Muslims
But we [after the initial stages of the plan are in place], select them
Over stayers are *a problem*
They often, work for low wages we do not need to fund an ever lower wages system in this country

Belly you don't seem to understand, once actually in Australia, including Christmas Island, the gate crashers have access to our courts. Once there activist judges & lawyers keep the cases going for years, with lawyers getting rich, & our courts tied up with rubbish.

Offshore detention stops this rubbish. Any bring them here for medical attention must be a no no. We owe this rubbish nothing, they are where they are because they tried to subvert & break our law. If the medical facilities are good enough for the citizens of these detention center countries they are good enough for gate crashers who have only themselves to blame for being there.

We should be more interested in medical help for the citizens of detention centers than it boat people.

Joe,
That bloke Galea has been around for years apparently. It does not surprize that it is in Victoria that found against him. It was the victorian courts that recently found a bloke guilty of sex crimes, without a skerrick of evidence against him. He was convicted on accusations alone, after the government altered the law to enable convictions on accusations alone. So it does not surprize what rulings the vics come up with.

I do not believe it paranoid to believe the aim of Islam is to take control of the country and see muslims gain more political sway as their numbers grow. I see more terrorist attacks if future and more brazen physical attacks by gangs. I see more sex attacks on girls as the muslim youth seek to exert their dominance, with numbers.

Oh there are some moderate muslims but they are scared to say much because the extremes have shown in the past that they are quite willing to attack their own if they disagree. Note how many young men went to fight for ISIS and how many we prevented from going. You also would be aware that most muslims believe that Islamic law is far supperior to our countries laws. That is why polygamy and under age marriages exist in areas of high muslim populations.

Australia has much to gain from stopping muslim arrivals, the safety of our childrens children for a start. I invite you to have a look at the UK and Europe, we defineatly do not need that.

Hasbeen now I may be wrong but believe we said during the setting up of the current plan Christmas Island was not legally part of our country
Nevertheless my plan calls for law changes, it demands near instant turn around of every single boat arrival
That they be sent to the host country
Wade in to the purely racist anti Muslim stuff here
But make time to explore the hundreds of thousands who are part of our country, completely trouble free
Even in many cases no longer practising their faith
Yes we have overstayers, working here, and yes return them if it can be done
But we must REWARD the host country, first by taking some of its detained refugees
And in the end stopping the flow in their country too
We must overcome, as a matter of urgency, the throwing away of all documentation
My view is after a thousand or so [it is in those numbers] end up in lifelong detention in the host country we would end that practice
We stand on the edge of world wide rejection of mass refugees
So aid and forceful removal of dictators and ending wars is needed too

How about focussing on ending the stream of refugees instead of quabbling about detention ?
Let's put pressure onto the UN to actually do what they receive countless billions of dollars for ?

Some of these perpetrators would probably qualify for asylum status in preference to decent applicants in the eyes of Leftist immigration bureaucrats !

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-07/india-rape-victim-dies-in-hospital-after-being-set-on-fire/11777288

Belly the 4 for 1 swap plan was totally ridiculous. We don't need more of the buggers, we need none of them. Off shore detention, & the guts to turn back the boats forcibly has been the cure. It is working & will continue to work as long as we have a government not beholden to the Greens & far left bleeding hearts, likely to be forced to give ground on this

That is the requirement to keep them stopped. Any softness shown now, or ever will bring a new flood of bludgers, looking to free load on us for ever. I can't understand why you can't see that we can't afford even more parasites, filling our public housing, when we don't have enough now, & can not afford the huge cost to build more.

Paracites

Belly,

I always get a good laugh when you dredge up the so called "Malaysian" solution" Where Aus would pay a fortune to dump 800 illegals in Malaysia and in turn take about 4000. That the 800 quota would have filled in weeks, that Malaysia was not a signatory to the UNHCR made this policy a complete joke.

Abbott's regrets weren't that he thought it might have worked, rather that he felt he should have let it fail.

That the coalition stopped the boats dead in a few weeks shows how much bollocks Labor's claims were.

The really scary part of all this is that all these 'experts' & policy developers in Govt are all highly educated people AND they nearly always fail. At huge expense I might add. Time to let the less indoctrinated have a go I say ! They're the ones who keep going no matter how stupid the legislators are.

INDY CATCH UP MATE THE THREAD IS ABOUT STOPPING THE FLOW OF REFUGEES
Hasbeen you know those figures would have been in place ONLY UNTIL THE BOATS STOPPED
You know they would have within three months at most
abbott said he let that blind him
To totally and forever stopping the boats
I am not buying in to the totally racist ban Muslims stuff
It will never happen and should not
But count the costs of offshore detention
Understand both sides do not want to be wedged on this issue, so bring a deal, like the one I sell here, before Parliament, make it clear if both sides do not vote for it [remember it was Labors invention] one side can not be trusted on refugees/migration

I am not buying in to the totally racist ban Muslims stuff
Belly,
What on Earth are waffling on about here ??

Take a deep breath indy, then read post after post telling us we should ban Muslims
Even send them back
In fact, based only on your last two posts, try reading others if you intend to comment on them
Again not near every Muslim is a threat, that section that are, should be deported

Belly,
What on Earth has trying to save Australia from this stupidity got to do with racism ?

Belly, it is not unreasonable to send all moslems back to wherever.
Those people believe in a command from Allah that unbelievers must
be killed. There are many other verses along the same lines.
Ask any of them if they deny those verses. They will never do so
because it is blasphemy. Which is punishable by death and is the
motive for honor killing.
The usual comeback is"Oh there are verses like that in the bible".
True but, they are not valid and are denied by all.
Denial is not an offense.
Moslems will never deny the verses that call for the killing of those
that refuse to accept Islam.
This is different from all other migrants, religious or cultural.
Why should we associate with those committed to our murder ?

Bazz/Individual with respect, your views are extreme
And have ZERO chance of ever being adopted or supported by Australia
Yes SOME muslims do not belong here or in the west
For example every single person who attended the so called *Sydney riot* that mass demonstration about cartoons depicting the head of their faith
I have thoughts not far from yours about such as them
But think outside your views, if we ever tried that?
We may even have trade banns put on us,it remains true more Muslims have settled here and become good people, never in any way a threat, than your version of them all
Nevertheless, you both, refuse to see this thread is about saving our country billions of dollars
Too about stalling mass refugees flows right across our near neighbors, and in the end?
Stopping economic migration by those our governments have already rejected

never in any way a threat,
Belly,
Not yet, or don't you know how silent invasion works ?

Belly, your argument, I think you are saying, is we can sort out those
we don't want. That idea has been tried and failed.
There is an Arabic word for it, that means it is OK to lie to kufurs
if it is to the advantage of a moslem.
In other words they can say they are opposed to terrorism and will
say & do everything to give that impression.
We have had recent demonstrations of this, and failure is fatal.

Islam is different to all other religions in that it requires the
killing of those who reject Islam. The purpose is simple, Islam must
dominate everywhere. Sharia must be imposed.

Bazz/Individual I understand that ok to lie bit, loath that faith, sorry truth matters
But not everyone is in any way a threat
While we are on it I loath the Catholic faith, right now it is defending still pedophilia
I want no faith to ever tell governments what to do
But this thread is not TRY THE NEW ONE about deporting Muslims
It is about securing our borders, saying who will come here and who will not
Let me be clear *within my party* we know, we are not trusted on some issues
Only by fixing these problems can we ever win an election
They are being fixed,to the annoyance of our left and the greens
refugees, coal, sell it while we can, are issues that drove workers away from Shortens ALP
I reviste the Malaysian solution because, within months, it will end the boats forever

The Malaysian solution is not a solution at all, it'd be a new problem that required yet another solution.
The most effective solution would be for Muslims to live in Muslim countries & non Muslims to live in non muslim countries. Neither should interfere with the other. However, since we know this isn't acceptable for those who desire world domination, we can only focus on trying to reduce the kind of stupidity that is the core of the problem.

Individual clearly your mind is locked or you refuse to understand
Once in place, every arrival sent there near instantly
And we taking that four to one of LONG TERM refugees waiting in that country
The financial refugees [about nine tenths of them] would no longer pay five to ten thousand to be smuggled here but end up in detention
So as it became clear the plan was to remain in place the boats would never return
In fact if one did our sending them back even paying for their detention, would ensure the plan worked
Do you support endlessly paying many millions to keep offshore detention in place?

Belly,
You're dreaming if you think a Muslim country would harbour those sent to invade & eventually overthrow a non-muslim country !

Individual how can I tell you a truth? sent to destroy our country
How can you expect anyone to value your thinking after that?
The solution WAS NEGOTIATED it just needed Parament to pass it
It as said here REWARDED the host country too
Ending the boats ebns much of the migration into our neighbors too
Do you [and I doubt it] know the history of this matter?

Belly,
Do yourself a favour & take up correspondence with people in Europe who are already experiencing what many here are trying to prevent by drawing attention to it. Now, there's a truth for you. Can you handle it ?

Indy you have my sympathy but little understanding of both the subject and the threat to take over the world [that never existed] by Muslims
In the end the thread while mentioning the past [Failure to get the Malaysian solution up] is about the future
Worldwide right now, it is becoming clear,bringing unskilled workers who may never find work is not working
Too yes faith is a problem, we are very different and may not all mix
I remain convinced we stand on the edge of knowing the world population has to be controlled
That importing people just to feed growth, is insane and we must come to understand Capitalism needs a new direction, growth must not be the driver
World wide, as more countrys become anti refugees, [see England electing Boris in a landslide tomorrow] we need a new direction
More AID not less well and honestly spent, is the west's self defense against ever increasing refugees trying to FORCE their way here
Note too refugees work for very low wages some times and in doing undermine our standard of living, we import poverty if we let this take place

Belly,
You really are asleep at the wheel ! Wake up !

IF I am asleep at the wheel indy you are living in a nightmare, one that is constructed and never existed
YES we had an agreement with Malaysia and yes Abbott [then using lie fear untruths] stopped it, with a little help from his pup the greens
Then Abbott said he should have looked closer
It would have stopped the boats, voters on both sides demand the boats remain stopped
Some come even now
Morrison, too wanting and end to EVERY BOAT ARRIVAL including those we never hear about has said this
He intends a lifetime ban from entering this country for every arrival, *I like that*
But to stop the boats even the desperate, letting them go to New Zealand ONLY MAKES US A STEPPING STONE for hundreds of more boats
Send them back instantly use Morrisons new law too
But end the billions of dollars wasted on offshore detention

Belly, I wish we could just put them on a plane and wave goodbye.
However, some countries refuse them entry so you then have a large
crowd living in transit lounges.
Re Malysia there is one fact you have not taken into account.
Malaysia to Indonesia to Christmas Island was a major route.
The smugglers had an illegal route between Malaysia and Indonesia.
Not all illegals went via Jakarter airport.

Islamists have often spoken about their campaign to send millions
of moslems to Europe to make Europe an Islamic continent.
It is no secret Gaddafi, Erdogan of Turkey is threatening to send
millions of immigrants into Europe. It is a common theme and as a
further worry some who study immigration think that a 100 million
Africans would like to follow the route through Chad, Mali & Libya to Europe.
So it is no secret, they are quite proud of it and speak of it.
Such immigration as invasion without war is advocated in the Koran.
It is real and our political leaders just do not want to know.

Bazz with honest respect, the Malaysian solution was passed, in part because it rewarded that country too
We [for a time not forever] intended to take in more than we sent, but from long term refugees held there
Malaysia, then and now, has a different form of government and different involvement in government by Islam
Look we will NEVER EVER be a country free of Muslims, our history remembers Afghan Cameleers opening up our out back
Some actually from Pakistan
Here my words will offend, but I claim my rights as those waiting for the anti discrimination bill to pass do
It is my view Gods separate humanity, have far too much impact on our lives and that NOT ONE EVER EXISTED
You talk of putting them on a plane, but know surely we never ever will
The thread may as well be about non-Muslims many come here and do not truly settle
UNDERLINE a truth population growth is not a forever thing, this country has limits that limit may have been passed
We must not become separate in our own country
Think with me on this if you travel via Malaysia to Indonesia paid five or ten grand to be brought here, only to arrive back in detention is Malaysia would you do it again? would anyone try?

Well, stop the stream of refugees & detention will stop also !

Sorry true sorry, but your lack of understanding is hu8ge
The thread is about nothing
Nothing if not stopping the refugees
It WARNS the west is on the way to rejecting mass migration
It proposes, as Boris Johnson has said, other countrys follow our policy on this matter
And that we use this solution to? stop refugees arriving here uninvited

would anyone try?
Belly,
After having been in wars do soldiers still go to the next battle field ?

Simple question; We are on water rationing, should we have more people ?

Bazz,
Yeah, why not ! We could start more Cotton farms too and, if we run short of water even sooner we can scream climate change & demand Govts to do "something".
We could bring that screeching teenager from Scandinavia to Australia to push for "something" to be done !

Bazz forgive indy, if he understood the subject he would agree with my plan
You however do, at least know population growth has impacts
Right now not far from here we see water rationing worse than ever before
We if we had even another 500 would be stretched by that water shortage
Add homes land fit to live on ,see some never will be, food at times like this,
Every country has a limit to how many it can house feed and provide work for
Right now the numbers of refugees worldwide is in the millions
IF war breaks out? if famine hits again? multiply that by ten
Handling our borders is important, one day our very survival may depend on it

Just as a reminder: Australia has a quota of around nineteen thousand refugees each year. (For some comparison, New Zealand's is around five hundred). And there are occasionally special humanitarian intakes, Yazidis and Mandeans and Christians from Syria, for example. I'm relatively happy with that.

Let's not manufacture some heartless policy of 'no refugees at all allowed to come to Australia'.

So let's discuss this issue on that basis.

Joe

Loudmouth we have disagreed on world population and will continue to
It may surprise you but I agree with bringing the victims of the more primitive sections of Islam here
To am more than willing for us to double our refugee intake
If it was part of a border control that ended the boats forever
However maybe I am a closet racist, see I want us to select who comes
I want too an end to the deliberate separatism we have seen too much of here
Nice words humber knee bending will not change this truth
Those Muslims who took part in that Sydney riot, over cartoons for griefs sake, should never have arrived here, let us be selective
And stop being blinded by that word multiculturalism
I am disturbed by recent cases of minorities using true racist lies claiming normal reaction to something they have done wrong is racist
A young Aussie sports man full of talent but unable to control his ego is the latest of many
We suffer if truth is branded racist and we are told not to talk about it

Belly I'm sure the homeless of our major cities will be very pleased with your idea of doubling the number of new chums to fill what ever public housing we still have for years & decades.

What is it with Labor people that they never count the cost of their ideas.

Hasbeen are you aware of this threads intentions?
Do you see, world wide, the flow is out of control
What if war breaks out full on in the near Asian region? can you not see millions trying to come here
Both sides of Federal politics want to continue migration
Think, in fact know, in the short term it feeds growth
I firmly think we should both increase aid and continue to take refugees
As said the double the intake was after a solution had been reached ,to reward the host country
Not a forever thing

Belly we may not be able to defend ourselves against China, but with a will, I am damn sure we can repel any water born invasion by a rabble.

Provided we refuse to listen to bleeding hearts, we will be just fine.

So too may our homeless.

Is that U *Pork Belly?*

("How churlish of me")

Haha3 .. it has been too long old friend, but often were the times I thought of you, most especially when celebrating victories against the Rock Spiders.

..

Both my first and second wives were from Asia. Both of them only had rudimentary primary school educations. I spent not insignificant chunks of my life upskilling them such that they could competently stand on their own two feet here. It is a huge undertaking. And I don't think that is fair on anyone to dump refugees into this economy.

Neither is offshore detention appropriate and those responsible for depriving children of their liberty, without charge or trial and then binning them offshore in circumstances known to produce adverse medical outcomes, including irreversible psychiatric harm, to the extent that at least one honorable australian hospital refused to discharge their patients back to whence they had come, are quite plainly vile little child abusers and deserve to be locked in pain amplifiers for the rest of their lives, by way of retrospective laws as required.

The solution has always been simple. Asylum seekers can and must always be able to come as they may. And we should do everything we can to augment those processes to ensure their safety.

But whilst we should happily accept them onto the continent, for many reasons we ought not permit them to enter the economy until such time as they have been successfully security screened, trained and otherwise proven themselves competent.

For that we create camps where only a Traditional Black Fella or Bedouin would have any chance of escaping. We make it be a special economic zone with "monopoly money." We maintain a military presence and train peacekeepers therein, ideally of the bi and multilingual variety in sufficient numbers to ensure peace and security for all, unlike schools who have 10 mountains of crap on paper about their anti-bullying policies but in reality, are staffed by people who sit around ingratiating themselves in the staff room when most of the bullying is occurring.

I think of it more like a game of "Civilisation" where you start with cave people, and then work your way up.

The refugees, of course, are to be integrally involved in the ongoing maintenace and construction of the facilities, with guidance.

in parts of w.a. the very earth itself is an ideal construction material and with a little nous makes great tennis courts. I trust you get my drift.

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What is lacking currently is a willingness to adapt. Wars aside, the potential for climate change to cause horrendous upheaval is significant. You must choose between letting people suffer and die or not.

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and what did that repugnant ghoul morrison say today .. something to the effect that australia only produces 0.02 (or 0.2) of global emissions so even if we reduced our emissions to zero it wouldn't change anything. What a moronic thing to say as:

1. whilst it may be true that the overall amount of emissions would only change slightly, you must consider this phenomena more as a raging power that needs to be subdued and harnessed.

For example, in an artificial greenhouse environment the addition of excess co2 to a point turns normal-sized vegetables into veg fit for the Wallace & Gromit giant veg competition, if you can control the temperature.

2. you cannot influence other nation-states by telling them what to do, but rather, by doing something brilliant and allowing it to be seen, they will absorb what is useful to them.

3. How climate change comes down on a local level can either be a blessing or a curse and will vary greatly from place to place. And I suspect we are going to see some very out there meteorological phenomena in the days to come. For example, where would you rather be on a hot summers day? On a filthy black road, or on bricks half grassed as you see in Indo, surrounded by beautiful trees? Thus, regardless of what the overall amount of greenhouse gasses is, how it manifests on a local level is a much more complex equation.

Not going to try to spell that name but good morning hope you are well
Hasbeen beg to differ,ww2 again remember those refugees on packed roads?
IF war, famine, or illness, breaks out watch the refuge numbers grow by more than the total number of us here
In fact current refugee flows are far bigger than our countrys population
I we had involvement in that war, would we have the reserves to control our borders?
Even with my plan in place and working we would be hard pressed
Let's be honest, yes AID much much more of it, if not for my reason, building a better world self defense, helping refugees stay home
And while Loudmouth [clearly a thinking person] see,s my concern as silly
Now is the time to consider world population growth, numbers this country can take, asking too is now the time to ask is moving the population around rather than controlling it the only way to travel

rEPRUSu,
People will adapt to Climate Change in the same way they always have since day 1. Those who don't will cop the short end of the stick !
Morrison is correct in saying that a tiny bit of reduction in emission here isn't going to make any difference to global climate patterns.
What is needed is birth control as there are too many humans demanding too much from the finite resources. Humans are a great resource themselves but only if they're not stupid, alas !
The Bushfires aren't unprecedented at all. What is unprecedented is the number of houses built surrounded by dry bushland hence the greater damage reported. Also unprecedented is the stupidity of authorities who ban preventative back burning but then again, they don't get out of their emission spewing air conditioned facilities so that's why they make such idiotic decisions.

indy by the end of summer, not likely till late Autumn, we will have had a seven months summer
By then the current 600 homes lost will be close to two thousand
We and the world will have no doubt this drought is horrific
We saw the fires in Greece, and the Arctic circle, california, the extreme snow storms right now across the USA
Maybe it is not climate change but it is extreme
Water we need more water not more people

Yes, indeed Belly I believe you are quite correct. More water will be a ket part of the solution.

(and I trust you're not wasting your excess waste fluids but rather are piping it profusely out upon your growing veges for the purposes of nitrogen enrichment with a cuppa at sparrows' fart ;-) )

and that is why I expect there are already well-established plans to use nuclear power in tandem perhaps with massive desalination plants and extensive piping networks.

So, as the sea level rises we will just need to purify, pump and pipe water wherever we want it to go.

Of course, if there is a green energy solution that can be implemented instead of nuclear then all the better, but we are talking about some seriously huge power requirements.

and why isn't anyone talking about it? I think they are behind closed doors but as it is a very sensitive and potentially volatile political issue the decision-makers will probably just wait till the electorate has been sweated, burned and smoked out and otherwise environmentally stressed to the extent that they are more receptive to radical power plans.

But you see *Individual* if aust or any other state for that matter, takes the initiative and really goes all out to reduce emissions and more than that, establish greater areas designed to pull more and more CO2 out of the atmosphere, such that we are absorbing more than emitting, then whilst in and of itself it is only a drop in the ocean, what it does do is significantly increase the likelihood that others will follow suit.

for example, aust did not go to Indonesia and say look, you all smoke too much and you need to act to reduce consumption of carcinogens. No, Aust did, largely of its own initiative develope plain packaging, graphic pictorial warnings, etc etc .. and then sometime later, the Indonesians, amongst others, considering perhaps that there was merit in this came out with their own version of plain packaging and graphical warnings.

All of the nation-states are always levering for economic advantage or at least trying to avoid a disadvantage which in part explains the reticence for anyone to take the first steps alone.

Well agree with most of that, warning you will be targeted for your view on global warming, a thread exists with over 500 posts need to click last quarter in logging on to view posts
My water is not on vegys, never will be, but mowed the lawn today, forced to put it on some of the now dead lawn
Trees [natives] suffering massive leaf drop, need rain, told they got a little only 25 ks away.

" ... Well agree with most of that, warning you will be targeted for your view on global warming ... "

Well, a lot of them are just fearful of losing their livelihoods Belly. As every day passes, more and more climate skeptics are thinking hmmm .. and more and more are becoming climate realists. Resistance is futile.

Ideally, we just need to create new industry and jobs to migrate a lot of people off welfare and polluting industries before we pull the rug out from underneath coal etc

that's all .. a lot of the deniers are just barracking for their team, albeit in part irrationally and illogically. But what is not irrational is that many people's livelihoods depend on things as they are, and they wont budge until there is a decent viable alternative available.

that's understandable ..

a lot of the usual offenders don't mind me so much becoz I am neither green, nor red nor blue .. but multicoloured ;-)

Find myself in total agreement
I started that long thread mentioned, but a new one will see me there, you would not yet know but I too have in that thread pointed out time is on our side and truth is more and more are dropping the denying it side
This thread? well truth matters I remain angry at both Greens and conservatives for not letting the solution go ahead
Too voters who [in their hatred of Gillard] saw it a only another way to bring in more refugees
Now free to be me[once promoted Shorten, a man I knew] Gillard and Shorten knifed Rudd and never going to forget or forgive that
This solution will work
Endlessly keeping at great cost offshore detention is wasting cash we should spend in other places
Then? the world soon, will confront this truth * the refugees flows will never end only increase*

I am neither green, nor red nor blue .. but multicoloured ;-)
rEPRUSu,
Which common revenue creating group would you say you're part of ?

individual not sure you understand it but I a cenerists from within the ALP, started this thread
And did so with two things in mind, saving billions
And controlling our borders
The Latter needs doing quickly
See we are at the start of world wide refugees flows it will get much much worse
Thinking non conservatives will, if they think about it, see lower wages for workers and a lower standard of living, as a result of too many people in our country
Rather think this weekend gave solid proof that to win elections parties must bring the center with them or perish

Belly,

Ah ! A 'centrist' ? I finally got that in your last sentence, thank you.

Do you read over your posts before you click the 'Post Comment' button ? Seriously, that little bit of extra effort saves a hell of a lot of confusion for people outside of your mind.

And full stops would help. These things: . . . . They break up sentences into understandable bits.

Joe

Loudmouth yes
And yes I have a little dyslexia
My posts are the best I can do, my mind is clear my thoughts mine
Full stops? on leaving school I could only just read, never ever leant to write until a 487 came my way
But education has been self enforced, hold full ticket ham radio, no easy pass
Have a book full of life and workplace achievements
Became a workplace trainer, got the second highest marks in this state, again no easy task
Bloke who beat me was an Engineer
Now at examinations, to train about three thousand workers across the state, we found one in six [lot of bush workers] could not read or write
Proud to have seen re schooling help some of them
Yes Joe true, may be best if I ask you what to think and if I should say it
I do however have the name of a good taxidermist!
Continued

This then young man was a communist, dad would have killed me, I this day, the person I am, would kill that young man
Dad solid Labor HATED commo,s, so do I now
Became a Socialist, but not for long, see that system is a fraud too
My lifetime word to live by [once told o sung wo] came from the Anthony Hordern tree on Razor Back Mountain
While I live I grow
Became a Labor left man, still a youth, in 1970
Barry Cohen, great man Jew by faith, seat of Robinson, was my first campaign
Whitlam my God
He, a totally useless back and front bench, infested by left wing nuts, took me to my blackest days
Clearly the left was off my menue forever
Right now, gee I am a fool! I praised Bill Shorten! hated him and Gillard for Knifing Rudd but sang his praises
Knew gee I knew, he was not the man he had been ,who lead my union out of its own destruction after an amalgamation
OFTEN said wish he would just be himself, unaware he was!
He is the man who knifed Rudd, more interested in him than me or us
So? yes the new center is my party's only path
It will take it, it must, dragging the stop the coal being mined now fools but it will under Albo, a left factional person, move in to vacant Liberal ground
And if not?
This world is not the one you or I grew up in Joe, it desperately needs a caring sharing leadership
One that sees nothing to fear in a new capitalism that thinks more of people than profit
Cares more about aid than wealth
That taxes Churches and? puts every tax dodger on notice along with multinationals pay your tax or do not trade in our countrys
Sorry about the full stops Joe how did you go with the taxidermist?

Belly I'm afraid it is you who don't understand.

The ALP has only left, far left, & full ratbag left. There is no such thing as center in Labor, & never will be.

Call your self what ever you like, but you are & probably always will be left of center.

Hasbeen please understand I like crossing verbal swords with you
We differ most times, but you are not needlessly rude
See you are not fully wrong, my parties branches have, always, been left of the party
But in Whitlams first run at the leadership of my party, he first, had to front up at the desk of? Charlie Olivers, my unions then head, and leader of the center unity faction
We came into existence because even in the 1970,s left wing, communist unions still existed
One of my Amalgamated unions halves did not fight them off until 1975
We remained undetectable until 1972, and went out of office because the mad left shattered us
Hawke brought us back Rudd Keating too steadied us, Gillard from the left Shorten badly miss using the right, tore us apart
Right now, look with eyes open, we rather than being left are walking in the tracks of past Liberal government
Change is well on the way, so too the financial slump that will remove Morrison

Like to get back on track, consider myself a young thinker, this thread is not about racism, not about being fair
We right now, are seeing the EU start to fall apart, on this issue
Many of us will live long enough to see world wide harsher controls on unwanted arrival of mass refugees
We must and will, see more countrys adopt our policies, *remember it is Labor policy too*
Offshore detention
We, maybe only a few, will see this subject take off as the world too highlights population growth as much as climate change
It WILL happen
The excesses of the very right will too, bring about changes to the conservative world
Bank on it
LOUDMOUTH understand you do not agree, tell you what, I will refrain from telling you what to post and think if you do the same for me ok, no offense taken just a little shocked at the new you bloke

The excesses of the very right will too,
Belly,
You mean like the Unions demanding excessive wage rises etc ? Many holiday makers stuck with no planes flying right now or, the excessive salary-gobbling bureaucrats in the Public Service. Yes, I totally agree with you, these excesses need to be curbed sooner rather than later !

Not sure why I bother indy
Thread HIGHLIGHTS an end to open door refugee flows and some migration
Too warns the black economy it's the overuse of illegals paid well below fair wages is not forever
The strike is for FAIR WAGES and as we are being told daily the retail sector is seeing very low sales as a result of low pay packets are the fuel for retailers are you saying different?

The strike is for FAIR WAGES
Belly,
Really ? People who are already paid twice as much as the average Tradesman ?
I see nothing fair in that ! All I see is Australians sabotaging Australia !

Terminological inexactitude a false statement slash lie, or in your case indy not understanding your post is all of the above.
I briefly looked after these folk at a nearby airport, believe me their pay is half of what you think it is
They came to us, we took them on until their union [the one they should have been in, the same one that had never been near them, came to life]
They often get less than full hours, are subjected to, baggage handling staff, very short shifts short breaks between and short wages

Jet Star Captains asking for over $300,000 now ! That's simply excessive but still well below many senior bureaucrats ! The baggage handlers are asking for a 10% raise, way too much for what they provide in return !

Not going to try telling you what industry standard rates are you just do not care about the truth
This thread upset many, even me at times.
I never claimed offshore detention was and is not cruel.
It came about after [hurts but true] Kevin Rudd got it wrong, in the name of kindness.
Now? too late to stop voters rejected boats and will reject any government that does not stop them
Boris said during the campaign he values our system, One EU country just threatened boat crew rescuing boat arrivals, with 26 years in prison!
Nothing love loathing, even common sense will stop the mounting stop the boats view voters have, increasingly in all parts of the world
No party not committed to that can win, ever, an election.
So as we seem to have run our race watch and see as this method, until something better comes along, become the normal worldwide

Kindness will exacerbate the dreadful refugee business, logic will curb it, greed will ensure its propagation !

Did you see this day baggage handlers are asking for one dollar an hour rise?.
Or that they get 22 dollars now but only 20 hours a week work?
And too that they are the lowest paid on that airline's workforce?
Offshore detention, and its costs, will continue until we involve other countries, and leave room for them to benefit too
It will be in other countries by mid next year and more by years end

Belly,
I stand by my argument that we really don't have low income earners, we have way too many overpaid non-revenue making bureaucrats. Were they to have their insane salaries cut by 15-20 % there suddenly wouldn't be low income earners ! That'd stimulate the economy to no end as the costs of living become affordable !

Sorry old mate you damn your self with every word you, I suspect like me, am a pensioner
We live a smaller life [in my case the super is long gone]
We do not,[again in my case] pay rent and battle just to live, these part-time low paid people do.
They need more than a 20-hour working week, more than the lowest wages on that airline's wages bill.
Nothing I could say would change your view, jealousy? are you a bit green-eyed? I would give up retirement in a flash, work for half the wage.
But my path is set, waiting for the end and that is that

these part-time low paid people do.
Belly,
With my system these people would be history due to the higher living standard afforded to them.
The Unions of the past ensured we have low (non union) paid people & excessively (union members) paid !
It's due to the latter that our manufacturing industry has collapsed !

Again off subject and a little way away from reality
It always amuses me when your type wander away from reality
EG, facebook, this week but all year really, posts warning, THEY want to kill Christmas [they being the anti-Muslim troll factory making this up]
Yes multiculturism did not work for everyone at least
And again try introducing it in the home country
While we drag the thread out [not truly talking about something of great cocern] we will talk about it as more of the world questions its wisdom next year