Belly,

While there is no doubt that China is a new rising world power and is demanding the respect and influence that goes with this, the duality of this while claiming "developing" nation status for trade concessions put in place for the poorest nations in the world is blatantly duplicitous, and has been point of contention dating back to the Clinton Presidency.

That China is perfectly happy to ignore all international laws when it suits them is redolent of the bully boy tactics of pre WW2 Germany and is likely to continue unless challenged.

The failure of the Chinese to concede might be because they anticipate a change in the US goverment, however, the democrats seem to share Trump's antipathy towards China and are unlikely to fold.

Shadow Minister agreed, but unlike Japan China if war is its wanted out come, need not attack without warning, America, until well after Trump is a weaker country than it once was
No honest review of that country would not see its determination to fill a much larger roll

Belly,

'role'.

'drivel'.

Loudmouth so very glad!
My lack of formal education has given you a free shot
Follow me you will find evidence of it often
Never the less the thread staggers and it may come to life in reality long before we want it too
Let's wrap it up it has become a yawn in any case

"While there is no doubt that China is a new rising world power"

Some of the links I've given in this thread are to show that the confidence that China is rising to challenge the US is perhaps misplaced.

I'm old enough to remember when Japan was going to replace the US. And the Soviets. And the EU.

We were told back when Keating was around that the 21st century belonged to China. And indeed up until 2017 the US considered its main job was to try to make the hand-over to China as painless was possible.

But there were other voices. For example the peerless Mark Steyn said wayback that China would become old before it became rich. That is that its one-child idiocy would lead to them having a gigantic retired demographic without the wealth to pay for it.

Since Trump, China's free ride is coming to an end and their economy is suffering from it. They desperately want and need an end to the pressure from the US but the only way to get out from under is to agree to no longer steal intellectual property, follow copyright, stop currency and trade manipulation and all the other cheats that they need to keep their economy chugging.

Give up those and they can't compete. So a rock and a hard place. Either way, at the very least the forecast Chinese take-over has been significantly delayed. If Trump gets another 4 years and continues the pressure, China is in real trouble. The only problem is that dictatorships in trouble have a tendency to lash-out in one final desperate attempt to save themselves. But they are no where near being able to challenge the US militarily for another 20 or so years and probably longer if they can't steal US know-how.

We made a terrible mistake putting all our eggs in the China basket.

Its time to pivot to India...yesterday.

mhaze if only, right now, know it is not in your DNA to agree Donald has weakened the west
Those sharing a giggle at the UN meeting underline Trump has been good for China, Russia too for that matter
Saw the links told you I liked them but could post much the same about America or any country
We need to watch the China that confronts us not one we hope it will become