Paul you know my figure was two party prefered thanks for your contribution
Your words your actions confirm you would rather a LNP government that Labor
It highlights and supports my view the greens, by their actions policies and very existence serve best Tory government

Hi Belly,

No old forum mate, I do not prefer a Tory government. But I do not want to see Labor in power at the expense of labour principles and values. Some within Labor believe the parties best chance of government is to be a "conservative lite" version of the Liberal Party, a pale imitation of conservatism. What is it worth to win power for powers sake, only then to be hogtied, be like conservative governments and do nothing.

The Greens were formed to fill a void in Australian politics that the conservatives never addressed, and was a sizeable portion of the Labor constituency, voters that Labor was ignoring and taking for granted. Those of the middle class with a strong social conscience. Its cost Labor about 25% of their supporter base.

Labor should thank their lucky stars for the preferential voting system, and Green preferences, for without them Labor would be down by about another 10 seats in parliament.

"Labor should thank their lucky stars for the preferential voting system, and Green preferences, for without them Labor would be down by about another 10 seats in parliament."

and therein lies the answer as to why the Greens get wacky ideas like tree preservation at the cost of human lives on the books.

The cost to human lives and wacky ideas comes straight from your mob Issy, the Australian chapter of the NRA, the SSAA, who facilitated the issuing of a gun licence to a murder of children. Does the name John Edwards ring a bell with you.

Here we have room for truth, yes it was Labor who started offshore detention
See we tried the kind way, *and got it wrong*
Voters have not forgiven us for that
YES we are not the Labor party of the 1950,s, voters demanded we not be
We in the Hawke Keating era brought about much needed change,voters needed that
Rudd [our last leader the voters liked] wanted until the GFC to be responsible with our economy, voters did not understand the GFC we however escaped it because of Rudd
My CONFIDENT view is this countrys politics is a log jam waiting to harm us *because minorities rule in the chook pen*
And that we [Labor] are harmed by dreamers like the greens who help conservatives much more than the people they claim to support
Show me, tell me, how other than blackmail in the upper house can they ever get power
Labor is the only path to better government
VOTERS not party are in the end who say if we are getting it right

Paul,

Can't you see that it is precisely the greens forcing Labor to adopt the wackadoodle greens policies that is the main reason that there is a coalition government?

Also without labor preferences the greens would have far fewer senators.