Well needs saying, needs looking at, do the greens have a long term future and what is it
On their birth I was very much for them even thought they may make it to the very top
But while yes some policy is pure full hearted caring some is? well you tell me
Are they conservationists or something else?
Politics is changing and it must, rejection of yes Bill Shorten yes Labors Machine policies, played a roll but voters rejected any thing looking like left
So to win Labor Must take a few steps right, what do the greens do?
Never a power outside the senate what will the next double dissolution election bring for them?[there will be another such election]
Know we will get the usual rabid posts but think firmly if Labor failed [and it may] the greens are never going to be the answer
What do others think?

The Greens are to conservation what acid is to alkalines.

The True Greens were conservationists but the present crop are Communists in disguise, Watermelons and the worst enemy that Australia has to face in Domestic Politics, even Labor is preferable and by a wide margin.

Well I predicted such posts Is mise but you have every right to your opinion
Do you understand to me, deeply honestly they are a tool used to do great harm to my party?
Walk in to a country lunch room, remind those there you want to hear what they think, not what they think you want to hear.
Truth is it is painful, very much so, the greens are not favored there, many, often most, do not like the ALP either
Greens will pick up Labor first preference votes, more of them
Because Labor, as it must, will stop mirroring some greens policy
It must because waiting, without a plan, for this government to fall is insanity
But, how many think ending the use of coal over night or in ten years, not using or selling it, letting someone else sell it, is a sane policy

Marxist is more accurate than Greens. To make it worse many of them wear it as a badge of honour. No greater haters in this country.

I am not all that familiar with the Greens and what
they stand for. I've never voted or supported them.
However I would be pleased to see a rational
explanation for why people do or don't support them.
What posters have for or against them and why.
It becomes so meaningless to fling terms like -
"Marxists" or "Communists" et cetera around, with no
explanations offered.

Surely posters can do better than that?

Give us reasons for your attacks and objections.
Preferably evidence-based on facts reasons.

I've just heard one Green fruitloop blaming the exporting of coal for the the bushfires we have been experiencing every year for two centuries - fires that will continue in the centuries ahead, no matter what the climate does. We have fire, we have floods. That's Australia. People who have lost everything in the current bushfires don't need to hear their tragedies being used for political propaganda by these Green lunatics who contribute nothing but hatred.

"The ravings of inner city lunatics" (Deputy PM Michael McCormack).

While bodies are being hauled from ashes, homes are being destroyed and volunteer firefighters are pushing themselves to exhaustion, Green lunatics jump on the climate change bandwagon.

'Green lunatics jump on the climate change bandwagon.'

come on ttbn, if you had prevented sensible clearing over the last 30 years you would probably need to virtue signal knowing that your pig headedness has made a major contribution to the deaths of innocent people. The Greens are shameless.

Looking at the young the greens seem to have a very bright future.
Whatever happens in the future it wont involve most of us here.

Yes the intensity of these fires are down squarely to the greens continued interference with reduction burns. The deaths & losses are theirs & theirs alone.

Of course they are claiming climate change, rather than accept the blame they deserve.

It really is a pity that so many useful idiots are helping them in their attempt to avoid the blame.

Foxy,

Are you living in isolation somewhere?

Don't you have TV?

The idiot Green Mayor of Glen Innes (I thank my lucky stars that I don't live in that Local Government area) is blaming climate change for the bushfires and the destruction of most of Wytalibah (where she lost a house) including the Public School.
That town was notable for its Green population and for the gumtrees in which it was nestled.

Surprise! Surprise! The trees caught fire and the houses were burned, tragically two people lost their lives but it wasn't climate change that was to blame but idiotic policies of no hazard reduction and living amongst the fire accelerant gum trees.

Does anyone have any evidence that there's a policy of no hazard reduction?
Does anyone have any evidence that the Australian Greens support it?

Aidan,

Just drive along any road in northern NSW and note the dead timber lying among the usual gumtree litter.

It is an offence, punishable by heavy fines, to remove any of this litter and dead wood from the roadside; there was a time when local councils encouraged people to remove firewood from the right of way, but a Labor government, seeking Green support banned the collecting of firewood along the roadsides.

Then there was a hurried scramble to amend the legislation when it was discovered that travellers, availing themselves of the Government provided fireplaces at parking areas were breaking the law by collecting a bit of wood with which to cook a meal.

runner,

Yes. Shameless. But worse - brainless.

Aiden well yes sorry there is endless evidence that the greens [mostly those who support them, not the party stop winter burns]
Now yes it is far too dry this and the last few years to do it in any case
Right back to the Franklin River birth of the greens I saw what I thought was a true conservation party
This ALP foot soldier even handed out their how to votes, in fact while I said I would not, I directed their voters to their how to votes sitting on the ground at a unmanned booth
Election 2019 was a lesson for me, one I would not admit had been coming for at least six years
Working men, our once back bone, abused me, told me the greens owned the ALP, even ,true, threatening to let a wife walk home if she took my how to vote
The outburst that coal use bought about these fires was the pot calling the kettle black
Dreamers we know as greens, often, do stop controlled burning, time my party drew a line and stands on its own environmental record not the greens
Continued

Coal, a truth needs talking about, like it or not use in its current form has a limited future
And too renewables ARE becoming a very big part of power and is the future, but stop using or selling coal now?
Come on, others will sell even dirtier coal, not one single reduction in carbon would result
Realistically demanding we do so is madness
In Labor heartland, a 20 percent swing, TO ONE NATION gave a view of what voters think about ending coal use
Look for achievable change, promote better behaviors but force such lunacy?
Momentum is with renewables with a future end to coal, but forcing it is not wise

Dear Belly,

I reckon keep burning all the coal, oil and gas until it's exhausted. I want to see how hot we can make the planet. I reckon we should be able to turn Australia into another Sahara where it no longer rains and it's so hot nothing can live in it. And as ScuMo will then tell you: Blame on Labor!

Belly,

The main target of the greens is not the libs it is the Labor party and I consider it one of the primary reasons that Labor lost the last election.

The greens are targeting the labor seats which essentially tears labor in half in that they have to protect their rump by adopting some of the more fruity green's policies while trying to promote the exact opposite in working class areas. The Adani issue was prime example.

Shadow Minister wise man, you will know even within the ALP some think we should join them
IF we ever did it will be the death of my party
Share your thoughts in fact know only by returning to the center can we win government
Mr Opinion, mate, do you think if we do as you say other countrys will not take over the market?
Coal will still burn while our jobs and yes national exports suffer
TIME is against coal, sell it while we can

Belly,

- and wait eagerly for the day when renewable energy infrastructure, panels and wind-towers, etc., can be made entirely by using unsubsidised renewable energy. Say, around 2050-2080.

In the meantime, China and India and eventually Africa WILL need coal to build up their industrial capacity. They will get crap coal from elsewhere if they can't get ours. And that's their right to do so. I wish them well.

Joe

Loudmouth well no!
By twenty thirty renewables will be about eighty percent of power supplied
For get climate profit is driving it right now
So banning coal now remains madness why kill our economy?

So banning coal now remains madness why kill our economy?
Belly,
Probably won't affect the Economy as such but it'd really reduce the passenger numbers on the Bandwagon.

I saw on the news yesterday where Barnaby Joyce said that the people who died in the fires around Glen Innes had themselves to blame for their deaths because they voted for The Greens. What a sick twisted thing to say!

This is an example of what you get from people with a one dollar brain.

Any of you one dollar brains like to offer an apology for Joyce's comments?

Amazing load of rubbish from the 'Usual Suspects'. The ALP has voted in an idiot for its leader. The LNP is crawling with what-a-be Nazies. Did you catch Albo and his Berejiklian look a like, no one can be bothered giving her name, having strips torn off them by a poor woman who had experienced the bush fires personally, what a pair of clowns, she's right they belong in a circus. Bonking Barny a political failure from the Nationals is claiming people who die in a bushfires are Green voters, are pyromaniacs who start fires National voters? The Fuhrer of the Nationals, McCormack is a total clueless fool when it comes to environmental management.

Remember the LNP and Labor are the same bunch of jerks who "fixed" the Murray-Darling for us. Now they are "fixing" the rest of the country.

The Australian Greens policies, they are more comprehensive than any other political party in Australia.

http://greens.org.au/policy

Paul,

"The Australian Greens policies, they are more comprehensive than any other political party in Australia."

Comprehensive and incomprehensible.

Issy, what is the policy of your Shooters and Hooters Party, other than helping to facilitate loaded guns into the hands of murderers, through the Australian chapter of the NRA.

Labor elects a leader with the personality of a wet sock, and expects to win government. Albo makes ScumO look good.

One forum mug was cock-a-hoop a while back, raving on about the 'Great White Hope' The Corny Banana Party. They took his membership money and then disbanded. Gee did he get his money back, probably not.

Look at the others, The Lovely Pauline Party, two One Nation clowns went to the US to try and get dosh from the American gun freaks. Then there's the Mad Katter Party, the less said the better. The Big Clive Party, some of the forum lads favourite pin up boy at the last election, gone missing somewhere in his dinosaur park, again with all the dosh. The Nationals, Bonking Barney was once their leader, ahreeeeee! That's it!

Paul,

Look up their web site.
That will tell you all that you need to know.
http://www.shootersfishersandfarmers.org.au/nsw_policies-new

Opinionated,

"I saw on the news yesterday where Barnaby Joyce said that the people who died in the fires around Glen Innes had themselves to blame for their deaths because they voted for The Greens. What a sick twisted thing to say!"

You probably saw no such thing and if you did, that's not what he said; you have either been misled or your inflated brain is leading you astray.

Issy, reading the Shooters and Hooters Party policy on firearms. It basically breaks down to, if your not in jail you can own a gun, this applies to every man women and child, all those "law-abiding citizens". There is no stipulation that the mentally ill or children as young as five would be excluded. There is some vague reference to the right of law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms. "The regulation of firearms should not unduly impede on a law-abiding citizens pursuit of his or her freedoms, business or undertaking." These fruit cakes have the same set of policies as Dodge City in the days of the old wild west, if it moves shoot it.

What a load of irresponsible policies. Under this mob mass American style shootings would be common place. Don't worry about being burned up in a bush fire, you would be more likely to be shot dead by a crazed law-abiding citizen!

Paul,

My, my, such selective research.

Did you read it all?

Read the bit about harsher penalties for the misuse of firearms and then tell us why the Greens opposed such penalties.

I reckon it was because they wanted to protect their criminal mates.

ISE MISE! he said those words, until he said them he had every chance of retaking his old job back from the Lizard holding it
He never will thankfully
CB radio, [200 trucks stopped here after road closed] full of greens did this
And yes in part, they did, those that never vote for them did too, screaming at fire winter burns, such fools exist
But dry winters to hot to even dare trying, control burns that got out of control very fast did much more than them
That idiot! yes a woman, who screamed at Albo, showed us all, some people know nothing about anything
NSW Forests and National parks had the BEST FIREFIGHTERS
They once lead our over seas help to other countries when they needed it
My highway is being shut for the third time fire escaped yet again

Belly,

Whose version of the words?

His version or the versions that have been attributed to him by liars?

ISE MISE easy up old fella you look very silly with that post, the flaming idiot said it on live tv
Now how can anything you ever said be trusted you comment on things you never saw clearly
Look you have my sympathy
No true, your bitter refusal to let truth be seen marks you and it is telling
Back on subject I remain convinced GREENS at best, an effective weapon used by this government against the ALP

So ok we have run out of steam much like ise mise has run out of defensive things to say why he wandered in both feet in mouth
Can we post a thread about Satire?
Not sure but every time I try only putting one category in it tells me I must select another subject
Think we could have some fun
This thread was not aimed at Paul, I like the bloke
It was not nasty, it just said what I think, AUSTRALIA, soon THE WORLD must see to beat the right we must chase the very best policy to bring the very best to vote for us
Not dreamtime never will rule/change anything dreamers

Belly,

He said that they had 'most likely' voted for the Greens. I'm 99% sure that they did as I knew them both. as I know a number of the people from the Wytalibah commune.
99.9% 0f them love gumtrees and sought to live amongst them.

We know the result, a result that had been explained to them on numerous occasions but they freely chose to live in a potential firestorm.
A rescue fire truck going into danger to save a couple of people (who fortunately survived) was blocked by a tree falling in front of it, the crew were lucky to get out.

The question is why were there trees along the road that could fall and block it in a fire (or at any other time for that matter ).

Further to the above.

Look up Wytalibah, NSW. on Google Earth (latest is 2016), zoom in on the public school and then follow the local roads and find the houses nestled among the gum trees.

Climate change was not to blame only misguided love of the Australian bush, and the bush doesn't love anyone.

ise mise YOU have committed the very same crime
Judging people as complacent because the vote green is madness
He killed his chance of ever winning his old job back, NATIONALS NOT GREENS will see to that
Here first fire is growing again, huge near two week old it is far from out
A brand new one just an hour old is burning in heavy forest at mount colo, it will get much worse before it gets better
LOOTERS are active in my areas fire, [one drug grower is in prison] after threatening firefighters with a weapon
Firebugs too 5 have been caught 3 kids in that number
One roadside rest area has had three deliberate fires started all controlled but most rest areas are now fenced off
My anti green thing needs no false feeding, they do great damage to my side of politics

Belly,

"ise mise YOU have committed the very same crime
Judging people as complacent because the vote green is madness"

I did no such thing, I judged them as complacent because I know them,
I'd been a hippie myself many years ago and was a shareholder in two communes. I never lived at either, rather I bought shares to help them along financially.
One of them, in which I invested $10.000 was a simple loan with no interest as the rules were that a share could only be sold at its face value and only sold back to the commune for reissue, again at face value.
The other, in which I had also invested $10,000, allowed sale at market value, so I got the equivalent of bank interest on that one.

Do have a look at Wytalibah, 2016, and tell me that it is not a picture of complacency in regard to fire hazards.

The gun toting Issy hippy, with love beads ,"Peace Man...or I"ll blow your bloody head off!"

p/s Still smoking weed? Just a question since you know, wink, wink nudge nudge, people who burn up in bush fires are Green Party voters, are people who light fires National Party voters, just asking.

Ask away, dill.

Issy, and I was hoping you would join me at the next 1960's style Nimbin love-in for a bit of that good old fashioned transcendental meditation. Peace man I still love ya. A hippy that charges interest, was it flat or compound? Did they pay back in hard cash or a load of Buddha Sticks?

You didn't answer the other two questions. A couple of yes or no's will do.

ise mise not able to see anything you say as reason for such a xenophobic claim they voted green so died
Truth is they died horrible deaths and by the end of summer many more will
Any claim that not being green makes some better is mad
Yes however in my area hippies live in tin huts under trees, so too do very well of who almost surely vote conservative

Dear Foxy,

Simply put, the Greens are ex-Labor adherents who want to distance themselves from any centrist and right views. They are totally irrational and there is only one way to do things - their way!

How's that for an explanation of the Greens?

Mr O true, Franklin River a gift from Bob Hawke started them
And yes right now some in my party are in fact greens voting for them in the senate and us in the lower house
FEW know CFMMEU in part fund them, and talk them up at mass meetings
Let me be honest some of their policies are kind hearted and good, but increasingly outsiders took big roles in them
NSW very very left [communists in fact] just one of the weird ones
Now yes overnight close down of coal mines may seem good,but voters will never think so
Having policy after policy that maintains your ten percent base, but feeds the ninety percent who think you are mad is, well you tell me

"How's that for an explanation of the Greens?" wrong Mr O, not correct.

You say "(The Greens) who want to distance themselves from any centrist and right views" Half right to a degree, we do more than distance ourselves from the extremist right wing, we oppose them completely. The draconian policies of the Hansonites and others on the far right, along with the aims of the far left, totally ridiculous, collectivisation, nationalisations etc. These things are opposed by the vast majority of Australians, those not of the 2%, and are opposed by The Greens as well.

The Greens agree with, and support 90% of Labor policy, and a fair bit of LNP policy as well. Unless those parties policies are radical in the extreme, and I doubt they are, more likely overwhelmingly moderate and centrist policies, in the context of Australian politics The Green Party is also a moderate centrist party.

To give examples, gay marriage, Australians of the centre were in support of GM, so were The Greens, therefore the opposing view was the extreme. Climate change, the majority of Australians emanating from the centre of politics want action on CC, so do the Greens. It is the extremist mob who oppose any and all action on CC, not the moderates. Most of the mainstream argument revolves around the degree of action, not if action should be taken or not.

Point out extremest policies of The Greens, and that will give weight to your argument.

Dear oh me!

Poor old Albo could not attend the Victorian State Conference of the ALP, for fear of a walk out by delegates. Is Labor a united party? Me thinks not. Instead Albo sent along his glove puppet Richard Marles, so the delegates walked out on Mr Whathisname instead. if Albo is still around in 2030, he'll still be in opposition.

As John Setka from the CFMMEU told Albanese, “grow some balls”

p/s Good to see the only major party to increase its primary vote in the federal election was The Greens +0.17%, Labor -1.39%, Liberal -0.68%, Nationals -0.10%. The decay of the big two continues.

Hi Belly,

I find the greens far too constrained by ideology to do anything economically useful: Anti-nuclear. Anti-coal. Anti-geoengineering. Anti-irrigation projects. Irrationally supportive of renewables.

One example: Australia's highly variable rainfall is dependent upon evaporation from the surrounding ocean. The current dry weather is due to anomalously cool ocean temperatures. It may be possible to increase the amount of evaporation from these cooler areas, but the greens are opposed even to research to determine the feasibility of such an approach.

As for their wonderful humanitarianism, they are geographically blinkered in this respect.

I hope you are safe.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/young-people-are-terrified-adam-bandt-defends-greens-rhetoric-on-climate-and-fires-20191117-p53bb5.html
Fester thanks, never been in danger but feared I was about to be, my bad fire is yet to come without rain it will
Saw that Paul, still like to one day have a coffee with you and yes some of what you say is true
But while two truly silly Nationals, one a drunk the other a spineless fool out did your mob, read the link
Time for truth and reality
Facebook is full of anti green WRONG charges that they stopped winter burns
Not true, but the fact voters think it is is the bottom line
YES Fester we can have Nuclear power do it SAFELY and by doing so never need any other action to meet out climate change targets
We can see if we want to,if ten in a hundred vote green but ninety never will, they are unlikely to ever rule
Only in the chook pen we call senate can they BLACKMAIL a government and the majority of voters
ten percent V ninety percent? halve the number of senators triple the votes needed, make it three year terms in step with the lower house,not the current six, let Democracy breath and majority rule

Hi Belly,

"let Democracy breath and majority rule" Of course Belly, could not agree more. Should it be the Liberals with their 27% of the vote? No, maybe the Labor party, the claimed natural party of the majority, with 33% of the vote, should they be the majority? Nah, lets skew the representation so the Big Two always get to form government with a phoney majority, now that's democracy!

Paul,

What percentage did the Coalition get?

Hope we are all having the problem posting I am
Labor got 48.4 percent
LNP must have got 51,6
Look at the number who voted informal, may be close to greens vote
Paul REALITY rules me
Voters want us to be seen as not the greens, tell me that is not true
Voters see greens as for open door migration/refugee intake same question
Hunter valley seat saw 20 percent swing to? one notion! coal and fears we would get within a bull's roar of your policy there could be,is the reason
Voters rule the policy on both sides they demand THE CRUEL offshore detention we [both majors] dare not change
Malaysian solution, like price on carbon, if not for the greens, would be in place right now

Been on facebook, the full on anti green stuff running riot there
Not sure aiming at impressing ten percent and annoying ninty is the right thing to do

Listen to this Lads,

"Labor got 48.4 percent", no they did not Belly, rubbish! They pinched 15.4% of the vote from others. For my vote I was happy to nominated the Green candidate as my sole choice, I didn't want any of the other 5 or 6 dill brains to represent me in parliament. I was forced to put them in some kind of preferential order, otherwise they would not count my vote.

33% of voters chose the nominated Labor Party candidate as their preferred choice to represent them in the parliament, 2/3 don't want a bar of them.

Issy, the Liberal Party 28% of the vote, Liberal National Party, The Nationals and Country Liberals all with a combined vote of 42%. Shameful that these minority parties think they have the right to rule over the majority!

Listen to this lads;
the Coalition won a majority of the seats, tough.

Paul you know my figure was two party prefered thanks for your contribution
Your words your actions confirm you would rather a LNP government that Labor
It highlights and supports my view the greens, by their actions policies and very existence serve best Tory government

Hi Belly,

No old forum mate, I do not prefer a Tory government. But I do not want to see Labor in power at the expense of labour principles and values. Some within Labor believe the parties best chance of government is to be a "conservative lite" version of the Liberal Party, a pale imitation of conservatism. What is it worth to win power for powers sake, only then to be hogtied, be like conservative governments and do nothing.

The Greens were formed to fill a void in Australian politics that the conservatives never addressed, and was a sizeable portion of the Labor constituency, voters that Labor was ignoring and taking for granted. Those of the middle class with a strong social conscience. Its cost Labor about 25% of their supporter base.

Labor should thank their lucky stars for the preferential voting system, and Green preferences, for without them Labor would be down by about another 10 seats in parliament.

"Labor should thank their lucky stars for the preferential voting system, and Green preferences, for without them Labor would be down by about another 10 seats in parliament."

and therein lies the answer as to why the Greens get wacky ideas like tree preservation at the cost of human lives on the books.

The cost to human lives and wacky ideas comes straight from your mob Issy, the Australian chapter of the NRA, the SSAA, who facilitated the issuing of a gun licence to a murder of children. Does the name John Edwards ring a bell with you.

Here we have room for truth, yes it was Labor who started offshore detention
See we tried the kind way, *and got it wrong*
Voters have not forgiven us for that
YES we are not the Labor party of the 1950,s, voters demanded we not be
We in the Hawke Keating era brought about much needed change,voters needed that
Rudd [our last leader the voters liked] wanted until the GFC to be responsible with our economy, voters did not understand the GFC we however escaped it because of Rudd
My CONFIDENT view is this countrys politics is a log jam waiting to harm us *because minorities rule in the chook pen*
And that we [Labor] are harmed by dreamers like the greens who help conservatives much more than the people they claim to support
Show me, tell me, how other than blackmail in the upper house can they ever get power
Labor is the only path to better government
VOTERS not party are in the end who say if we are getting it right

Paul,

Can't you see that it is precisely the greens forcing Labor to adopt the wackadoodle greens policies that is the main reason that there is a coalition government?

Also without labor preferences the greens would have far fewer senators.

"VOTERS not party are in the end who say if we are getting it right"

That's right Belly, and 2 out of 3 voters are saying Labor is not getting it right. Instead of fudging the figures, and crying in their beer, Labor should be working on becoming the "natural majority" that they always claim they should be. 8 out 10 who vote for The Greens, vote that way because they prefer The Greens over Labor. All you want to do is disenfranchise 10% of voters, because they wont vote for you. Hitler believed other political parties were an impediment to his good government by the National Socialists, so he outlawed them, problem solved.

Ho Hum! Another tiresome post on matters that you have not been able to back up,
Keep up the lies Herr Goebbels.

Paul,

Similarly, 90% of Australian voters think that the greens are a joke.

2 out of three? Trump like that Paul
But yes ninety percent will not have a bar ever, of the greens, this country needs clear choices
IF Labor wins the next election your mob will stifle reforms it always has always will a vote for the greens is a wasted vote
Either Liberal or Labor the only clear headed choices

And 100% of Australian think you are a joke Shadow Minister.

John Edwards, now that name must ring a bell with you Issy. With the assistance of the Australian chapter of the NRA, the SSAA, an organisation I believe you are also a member of, Edwards obtained a gun licence. With his brand new legal gun and licence Edwards proceed to murder his two children. Now that is wacky!

Issy, if I'm Herr Goebbels, you gotta be Heinrich Himmler.

IF Labor did not exist the greens would still not win an election
Understanding why we the ALP have slipped to 33 percent of the first preference vote interests me
I blame no one but us, highlight our true left
But how many truly know and understand how many one notion voters preference us?
Then the greens, never forget, never say they all preference Labor, most do not all
If the greens did not exist however?ALP primary would be eight points higher
Do the maths
WHY why indeed voters are not all brilliant thinkers,some would buy shares in the harbor bridge
Liberals have always known this
Right back to the 1970,s Labor has had members who struggle to understand that
Confronting but true some voters left us because they wrongly think we are like the greens

Belly,

Maybe the slide in voting is not (or certainly not just) from welded-on workers and tradies to the Greens, but in two ways: a move of pseudo-left Liberals voting for the Greens (in the inner cities and electorates like Toorak), and many workers voting for One Nation (e.g. in the Hunter).

I'd be interested if people like (ex-Senator) John Black have done any analysis of that sort of trend - that the Greens are more often more likely to be ex-LNP than Labour, and One Nation supporters are more likely to be ex-Labour than ex-LNP.

Joe

Paul,

Lying again I see. You can't believe that I am a member of the Aus chapter of the NRA for 2 main reasons:

1-I have never owned a gun and won't have one in my house,
2-I have never posted anything on OLO that does not support gun control.

So either you are delusional or a liar.

Shadow Minister,

Suffering from comprehension failure again Shadow. Read the post, I was not referring to you as being a member of the gun toting brigade, but rather Is Mise (Issy). "John Edwards, now that name must ring a bell with you Issy....."

In fact I am well aware of your anti gun stance here on the forum.
English as a third language must be difficult for you (Shadow Minister). I totally understand.

Loudmouth you have me worried, Black, know the man [do you know more about me than I think]
Will not go in to it but let me explain myself
Labor is travelling in deep tracks it finds hard to get out of
Some, near green, want so much we can never achieve, and in the end do not want to
Look at our glorious years Post Whitlam,
Hawke Keating brought about great change, and too got union support that, for a time, cost workers but built our economy
Rudd, not his exite but his entry, was a great achievement
My party wants to win two maybe three terms in office, it knows we need reform, in welfare health workplace reform, transport so very much
But, yes but within our ranks, green like, some seem intent on having policy that keeps us out of office
The fact is we will get back in office and will bring about change but we need to overcome those who want us to be something voters will never except
And we must just simply must draw A line between us and the left of political reality greens

ok let's leave the subject, oh wait SHY!now there is a woman to avoid, even more than the Communist ex green in NSW
The woman can not help but remind everyone how much and why, they dislike her

Not so Belly,

SHY often highlights the very issues the government and their cohorts in big business like to hide from.

“Does the government really think that it is appropriate to fast-track Chinese gambling billionaires through our border protection processes so that they can come to Australia and shoot our wildlife?” SHY

“No one in their right mind would say this is appropriate.”

Shy also believed that a fictional TV show was real, that's why she is also known as 'Sea Patrol' Sarah'.

Paul,

As I posted elsewhere.

In the past, I have likened you to Dr Geobells the Nazi Propaganda Minister but I won't do it again.
It goes against all that I was taught about speaking ill of the dead.

Paul question, SHY do you understand right or wrong how many people are repelled by the woman
No not good enough she is hated by huge numbers far far more than are impressed by her
They say the eyes care the windows to the sole, hers then say it all
Nice looker until that mouth opens
Election 2019 hurt me, forced some truths down my throat
Unless the greens can eat that humble pie, stop making weird promises they know, they face continuing to be only a force, using blackmail, in the chook pen
Remove upper houses return power to the masses please

Shy is also one of those people who think that the welfare of rapists and murderers is more important than that of their victims; no wonder she is held in contempt by many.

Hi Belly

"hated by huge numbers" so was Abraham Lincoln, what does that tell you. BTW 120,000 voters in SA think SHY is okay.

Hi Issy, Throw it at me, and I throw it right back.

Wasn't there privates Hitler, Himmler, Goring, Goebbels and Bormann in your platoon in Korea, weren't they all under the command of Corporal Issy? To refresh your memory there you were, throwing bombs and causing general mayhem in a place you had no business in. 1,600,000 (minimum) non combatants murdered. Rather bad score card in my opinion. And to think if you were only a few year older say 103 instead of 93 you could have helped out in the invasion of Poland.

Paul,

Your maths, like your veracity, leave much to be desired.

Paul like the ALP understanding why voters rejected us and continue [apart from the chook pen] continue to reject your mob is the only path to take
Sorry but my words mirror those from hundreds of lunch rooms on construction sites I once visited

Hi Belly,

"hundreds of lunch rooms on construction sites" The stamping ground of the CFMMEU, a nice $20,000 to help the Greens. My son-in-law (crane operator) staunch CFMMEU. He seen the value of union membership after a fight last year over wrongful dismissal. A couple of suits came down, thinking to throw their weight around. The collar and ties found an error in our boys paperwork, sacked! Well not according to the union, threatened to shut the site down, the suits soon seen the error of their ways. BTW, thanks to the CFMMEU the son-in-law is on $190k base pay, 9 on 5 off, 10% of gross as redundancy payout, plus general entitlements, on time bonus at end of project. Looks like he'll walk out with $50k on completion after 18 months, not bad.

Just on SHY, before you blast her, she is a thorn in the side of the jackasses in government, and will support Labor at a pinch. Save the vitriol for Hanson, Bernardi etc those types who are always with the other mob. I know the NSW x-senator you speak off, always fine with me, did a bit of door knocking together some years back, easy to talk to, got on well.

Belly,

It seems that Labor is stuck on its maximum support of about 33 % of the vote. The Greens seem to be stuck on about 12 %. Unless there are other pseudo-left parties, that seems to make up a maximum possible vote of 45 %.

Are those two parties playing Corbyn's game, of putting forward such idiotically extreme policies that they are guaranteed not to get elected ? So that they can stay out of power, but remain pure in heart, truly virtuous, true to their policies unto the death ?

Brilliant strategy ! So it's Morrison until at least 2030 ?

Joe

Loudmouth and Paul for that matter, the thread was always going to be inflammatory
See we stand at a cross road, Labor lives or indeed dies,on its ability to stop Conservatives using the greens against us
Labor must take a step to the right
Now Paul highlights the CFMMEU, a big donor to his party
Back to those lunch sheds
I charge the then CFMEU with job destruction
They [naming my union Australia's Weakest Union] pushed construction wages so high *road construction now is mostly a casual workforce*
Could write line after line of thug like blackmail and down right criminal acts
But highlight this truth THEY BILL OUT OF WORK MEMBERS FOR UNION DUES
And threaten court action
Back to Labor, just as CFMEU members flocked to my union, they do not want a leftist government, they do want social justice but not purely left policy
They do not want union controlled ALP
We must again move with the voters, not try dragging them to places they do not want to go
So? take on the greens highlight them for what they are DARE THEM to not preference us, watch the clay feet crumble as their voters understand only Labor can take government from conservatives

Belly,

I was recruited by a Member of the NSW Parliament, at a time when Labor was in power, to help stack a branch, before the upcoming election.
The poor fool had no idea that new members didn't get to vote, which was a guarantee against short term stacking.

ise mise me too!
Yes an ALP stalwart came to me with offer if I wanted to take over an extreme left branch
He became a seat warmer, up to his chin in Rudd's knifing
So yes the ALP right stacks nearly as well as the LNP and both could learn from NSW Greens [Soviet Union branch]
Nevertheless voters force parties to change even when they do not want to

I leave with these words, I have found in my facebook feed, many ex members and mates from my union days, a strong distrust for the greens
Too even within those people a honestly held view Labor is controlled by the greens
I BELIEVE my statement that near 90 percent of voters will never ever vote green
I too know Labors left, true very left, vote green in the senate Labor in the lower house
Those lights on the hill meant the world to me
But they burn in the second or third home of a worker who no longer trusts my party
So yes we must take steps toward voters and government
Because only Labor can bring the much needed reforms this country must have, soon

Hi Belly,

What we need is a referendum to change the Constitution; a couple of questions.

Q1, I agree, to outlaw those Pesky Bastards in the Senate. Since the good guys of the Labor will be out of a job, I further agree that those unemployed good guys should move to the lower house where they can sit in relative comfort for the rest of their lives. Nothing like a bit of branch stacking!

Q2. I agree, it is the unalienable right of the Australian Labor Party, always, to govern for life. No Pesky Bastards allowed! Democracy must be allowed to work!

I would expect better than 99% agreement to both those proposals. After all we are only talking about a political parties divine right to rule.

Well understand your hurt but here is my reason Labor should leave your mob to die a natural death
We need [and voters remind us] reforms to immigration/refugee intake
Answer remake the Malaysian solution stop all Asian people smugglers, select our intake close [not needed] offshore detention
Welfare, true reform *end forever all fraud* rise new start put country people in well paid work for dole schemes
Kill PC it irks most Australians
Keep mining coal but research new fuels and help it get to the no coal future
Grow two trees for every one we cut down,make forestry sustainable
Stop stalling every development in case the three legged white frog is harmed by the job giving project