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Same Sex Marriage Now That The Dust Has Settled

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Since the time of unpleasantness which surrounded the legalising of fake marriage for same-sex couples, I have occasionally wondered if people still held the same views on the matter.

I can't know what most people say because they don't have a voice; but someone with a voice has spoken up in the last couple of days, reminding us that laws and gags on freedom of speech don't necessarily make people accept things that their instincts tell them are just plain wrong.

The Anglican Archbishop of Sydney, Glenn Davies, has told supporters of SSM that they should leave the church rather than "betray God's word" in a condemnatory message to 'progressives'. "Please leave us", he said.

The Archbishop believes the church has enough to do without being distracted by constant pressure to change Christian doctrine in order to "satisfy the lusts and pleasures of the world".

So, the acceptance of unnatural practices are not done and dusted: they have just been pushed underground, with a few fearless people still holding their heads up.

Of course, the last Archbishop to refuse to bend Christian doctrine to suit a post-Christian society ended up in jail on trumped up charges, with government inquisitors still trying to block his right of appeal to the High Court. I hope they don't start making up stuff about His Grace, Archbishop Davies.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:59:39 AM
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His Grace,
ttbn,
This what I'd like to see phased out ! Why is there such hierarchy just to believe in a God ? I'm sure this isn't what it's all about. I find it just as offensive as the kind of "marriage" this thread is about !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 17 October 2019 7:37:50 PM
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individual,

It's just a tradition. He's probably called Glen by friends and colleagues, and probably thinks of himself as such. It's not his fault. I used the title because I like a bit of tradition: there's not enough of it anymore.

If you are offended by a bit of respect towards an Archbishop, how do you feel about sleazy politicians being being referred to as the Honourable member for Woop Woop? There's not much 'honourable' about them.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:37:21 PM
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how do you feel about sleazy politicians being being referred to as the Honourable member for Woop Woop? There's not much 'honourable' about them.
ttbn,
I have made my feelings about that crystal clear many times here on OLO ! Some should really be referred to as honing members.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 17 October 2019 8:44:07 PM
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Absolutely agree, Leigh!

My personal Lord and Saviour detests the thought of interracial marriage. Just look where that sham arrangement has gotten us! A nation of mulatos where such an abomination is not just acceptable, but is now considered trendy!

Keep fighting the good fight!
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:18:37 PM
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11 still applies. I wonder if Sells is taking the Archbishops advice to leave.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:26:39 PM
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Absolutely, runner. So is Exodus 21.

Praise be...
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 17 October 2019 10:37:03 PM
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I think same sex marriage comes down to three things still. Those who listen to their hearts, and therefore let the issue be emotionally infused. Those who listen to their heads and have looked at the matter closer, and those who listen to another source of information that they trust.

Those who listen to their hearts can be assoicated with the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," and they might not see the issues in what they are supporting. Often this is the younger generations who flock to supporting their cause for homosexual rights without having seen what else is going on. Those listening to their heads might be less compassionate but it's because they've seen the issues and aren't satisfied with the lies and misdirection being spread around. It's worse that if they say anything and are ousted as being a bigot because they see the health of homosexuality, the politics under way, or the loss of justice, protecting the innocent, and freedom of speech that has happened as a result of SSM pushing. Who would blame them for becoming bitter and losing a kind tone in conversations.

But the biggest issue apparently is those who trust another source to speak for them or to supplement their own stance. Whether it's a news media source with it's own agenda or it's own ax to grind (becoming indoctrinated without it being a religious source). Or people are trusting their religion that is against homosexuality. Anything associated with religion is fought against and mocked on it's own without even considering what the subject being discussed is about. When it come to SSM, one of the biggest issues is "who do you trust?" Personally, I think Christianity has the best seat to consider. They trust God enough to consider the faults in homosexuality (whether it's health, social, or the other messes to not ignore), while also having the stance to love your neighbor and to treat other the way you want to be treated (thereby keeping their own compassion for homosexuals).
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 18 October 2019 3:46:17 AM
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To make it clear, my question sort to find if people held the same views on SSM as they did prior to and at the time it was legalised. As with anything the majority endorses, some people shrug and accept the new position and think that they now have to go along with it, and shut up, some don't. Do the latter believe it is safe to voice their opinions, or has the tyranny of the majority silenced them. Committed Christians certainly will maintain their objections, but there are others who object to SSM and homosexuality on obvious anatomical grounds, normal behaviour personal disgust etc. All man-made laws, can be overturned, and are overturned, under the right circumstances.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 18 October 2019 10:22:55 AM
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Dear runner,

And the following verses say;

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

So do you think the main purpose of marriage is so that those who can't avoid touching a woman can do so without technically fornicating because they have a marriage certificate?

And do you agree it is good never to touch a woman if you can help it?

What a warped bloody view of sexuality these chapters present. It is clear Paul was a suppressing homosexual and like many of the modern day anti-gay religious crusaders, some of whom get found our snorting cocaine off the backsides of male prostitutes in airport toilets. This whole section needs to be regarded as toxic to any modern person.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 October 2019 10:47:14 AM
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ttbn,
My view of SSM has not changed.

The whole concept of marriage has now changed from one of wholesomeness, designed to foster the continuation of our species by the raising of children, to one of depravity and filthy sexual practices.

It is good that I am now a widower and no longer associated with such an institution. I see the popularity of marriage falling because of the association with homosexuals.

They could have chosen another name for their 'union' but the whole thing was designed to improve Homos deserved social reputation.
Posted by HenryL, Friday, 18 October 2019 1:26:45 PM
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Throughout history marriages have been celebrated by families.
It is the promise of the continuation of the family.
The desire of parents to see their grandchildren is also fundamental.

The intrusion of homosexuals into the family is a diversion but not a marriage.
No, same sex marriage is pointless and unhealthy in practice.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 18 October 2019 2:08:58 PM
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Bazz etc.,

At least, perhaps we can celebrate same-sex divorces :) I hope they are written into the new legislation.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 18 October 2019 2:11:34 PM
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Dear Bazz,

So marriage between couples past child rearing age is pointless?

Sure.

What is your next deeply logical argument?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 October 2019 2:21:15 PM
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Henry & Bazz,

And to think they used to sneer at marriage!

The thing is that Marxism has to get rid of the family to gain control. Family is the bedrock of democracy. So, it's not really about same sex unions - they already had exactly the same legal deal as married couples - it's all about politics. Given the few SS couples who have bothered to gett 'married', it might not be working the way it was intended. Of course the notoriously Left entertainment industry, including movie makers, television producers and writers now all squeeze in homosexuals when they can.

I read recently that Google was tampering with reality. The writer said that he had googled 'heterosexual couples', but the results came up with a few photos of hetero couples, but after that, same sex couples outnumbered them. I tried it, and he was right.

The same thing applies to a search for white couples: it's not long before you are regaled with everything but white couples - blacks, Asians, Middle Eastern.

It is clear that the social engineers and people obsessed with unnatural sex and race are not giving up. Let's hope the general public treats them with the contempt they deserve.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 18 October 2019 2:36:07 PM
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Ttbn,

There's nothing unnatural about inter-group sex. I can highly recommend it.

Where would you be if your Neanderthal and modern-human ancestors hadn't enjoyed each others' company ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 18 October 2019 3:16:31 PM
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«my question sort to find if people held the same views on SSM as they did prior to and at the time it was legalised.»

While my view on SSM has not changed, this question is misleading:
SSM was never legalised because it was not illegal to begin with!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 October 2019 3:28:48 PM
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ttbn said;And to think they used to sneer at marriage!

Who me ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 18 October 2019 3:29:05 PM
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'What a warped bloody view of sexuality these chapters present.'

well Steelie I am sure your version of sex101 is so wholesome. Many god deniers with no moral compass justifying every perversion. Nothing new.
Posted by runner, Friday, 18 October 2019 4:12:56 PM
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Bazz,

No. Not you. The homos and the Marxists exploiting them. They have always sneered at marriage, but they they have cunningly used it for their own ends. They have also cheapened it, which lowers its status in the eyes of normal people.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 18 October 2019 4:49:55 PM
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Yuyutsu,

"SSM was never legalised because it was not illegal to begin with!".

Something that was not legal, but now is legal, has not been legalised?

You will have to explain that to this little brown duck.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 18 October 2019 4:53:50 PM
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Dear Ttbn,

«Something that was not legal, but now is legal»

But it WAS legal all along: any two people (or three or five for that matter), including of the same gender, could marry all along, openly in broad daylight, in front of God and in front of their families and friends, possibly including members of the police - and they wouldn't be charged of any crime, they wouldn't be prosecuted, fined, sent to jail or anything like it, that's a fact!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 October 2019 5:59:52 PM
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Dear runner,

You flock doth disgrace you old boy.

"Evangelical pastor Ted Haggard ranted against the evils of premarital sex, adultery, and gay marriage. That is, until he was caught in a gay sex scandal in 2006. A male escort named Mike Jones publicly claimed that Haggard had been a client for years. Not only that, Haggard had allegedly used crystal meth in front of his male lover."

This bloke was the President of the National Association of Evangelicals "The association represents more than 45,000 local churches from nearly 40 different denominations and serves a constituency of millions."

Well there is a good ol' log in your eye old chum.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 October 2019 6:31:52 PM
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To ttbn.

I don't think the dust for same sex marriage has settled. Nor do I think it will settle anytime soon. I think it's been adopted as a cause by too many people like the cause against sexism and racism. Anything that brushes against either that is considered as racists or as sexist gets a violtile reaction. I think Homosexuality has become that kind of a branded cause. Pointing out the issues with it whether from a secular source or a Christian source, won't go over well for some time. Which is unfortunate because it is very unhealthy to practice active homosexuality.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 19 October 2019 4:08:34 AM
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Nns,

I agree. All eras have things to obsess about with religious fervour. Ours is the fad of man-made climate change and trying to normalise aberrant sexual behaviour - and woe betide anyone who goes against the manic tide. Then lunacy is worse in the 21st Century because we have, in the main, rejected Christianity. The need for something to believe in has been replaced with climate mumbo-jumbo and 'love-is-love'.

I like to think that these things will pass. But, until people get back to ground, they will be replaced with further crackpot ideas that people out of touch with reality seem to need.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 19 October 2019 10:00:52 AM
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My view hasn’t changed because I was against it from the start and still have the same view. Apart from the destruction of a cultural practise that has served mankind very well from the end of the hunter gatherer era, I always felt that SSM was the thin edge of the wedge in regard other, very minority groups, like transgenders, to push for acceptance as normal practise, and I was right.
These days we constantly hear about transgender issues, we have psychologists complaining that kids are being encouraged to change gender without proper counselling or diagnosis first, and that children are being exposed to sexual issues at far too young an age.
The early sexualisation of children is going to result in horrific problems down the track, we already have mountains of data about the problems in kids raised in single mother families due to the ongoing destruction of marriage as the normal social structure and I recently read that doctors are reporting numbers of young people trying to reverse transgender treatment because they have changed their minds!
Trying to reverse Millenia of social evolution is never going to end well.
Posted by Big Nana, Saturday, 19 October 2019 12:10:14 PM
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Same Sex Marriage Now That The Dust Has Settled

if nothing else, it's kept the crap (excuse the pun) out of our faces for some time now.
People & not even the Gays seem to bother about it anymore.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 19 October 2019 4:31:20 PM
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Big Nana,

I think you are right and SSM is the thin edge wedge for more dangerous nonsense.

individual,

The lull before the storm, perhaps?
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 19 October 2019 4:43:59 PM
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The lull before the storm, perhaps?
ttbn,
That storm will be from the children raised by SSM couples, not all of course but many will develop & suffer psychological stress in what are supposed the be their mature years.
Social ineptness will become a greater problem for society than is presently imagined.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 20 October 2019 6:30:18 AM
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individual,

It's hard to believe that children raised by two people of the same sex will not be disadvantaged to say the least. The problems experienced by children and, therefore, society who have been raised by single mothers are bad enough. Women calling other women their 'wives'; men with husbands; kids with 'two mummies' etc: madness!.

What adults do they do, and they have to live with it. Dragging children into their unnatural lives is unforgivable.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 20 October 2019 8:07:52 AM
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'"Evangelical pastor Ted Haggard ranted against the evils of premarital sex, adultery, and gay marriage. That is, until he was caught in a gay sex scandal in 2006. A male escort named Mike Jones publicly claimed that Haggard had been a client for years. Not only that, Haggard had allegedly used crystal meth in front of his male lover."'

Yep Steelie just shows he is in need of repentance and mercy just like you and me.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 20 October 2019 9:40:39 AM
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Dragging children into their unnatural lives is unforgivable.
ttbn,

Hence "The lull before the storm" ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 20 October 2019 4:30:02 PM
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Dear Ttbn and Individual,

«Dragging children into their unnatural lives is unforgivable.»

Do you realise the full scope and implications of your statement? a bombshell indeed!

Life in modern society is so much divorced from nature - modern food is heavily processed and unseasonal and the natural rhythms of day and night and the seasons are ignored in favour of a 24/7/365 urban and virtual existence: in nature, one sleeps when it is dark and wakes up with the light of dawn. The modern family unit and the extended family are hardly functioning as such - parents have transformed into just chauffeurs and ATMs, whereas in nature children rarely stray physically away from their parents and have their freshly-cooked/prepared meals together. It is natural for adrenalin to be pumped in for a short while when a predator is present, but not for an ongoing adrenalin-producing stress over intangible and highly complex mental concerns. Specialisation and the large-scale interdependence that it brings is also highly unnatural.

So much more can be said about our current unnatural lifestyle, so why be picky in particular about the parents' sexual orientation? If anything, a certain small percentage of homosexuality can be found in nature and has scientific/evolutionary explanations. Compared with all the wilful aberrations of modern society and its nature-distorting technologies, this is such an insignificant speck.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 20 October 2019 10:21:41 PM
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The cost of political correctness is becoming clear.

The pasting of the once mighty Australian rugby team by the minnows Wales can be squarely laid of the feet of Hardcastle's incompetence.

If FWA decides that Folau's dismissal was unfair, Rugby Australia might well be up for a bill in the $millions.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 21 October 2019 5:03:03 AM
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If anything, a certain small percentage of homosexuality can be found in nature and has scientific/evolutionary explanations.
Yuyutsu,
Yes & so are murder, thieving, assault, adultery, Pedophilia, greed etc. How many murderes/killers have claimed Love for their actions ?
Homosexuality has been around forever as have the afore-mentioned but does that make it a good practice ? Many argue it does but when a thief argues thieving is ok then there'd be an outcry. How long has AIDS been around ? Can it be caused by something other than unclean sex by humans ? Just look at the social/societal/financial/medical cost this has cost over years.
Do you find that acceptable ? Or, is simply acceptable to you because it hasn't financially impacted you personally !
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 October 2019 6:49:28 AM
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I left out the word yet at the end of the post.
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 October 2019 6:51:30 AM
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Yes to Yuyutsu's comment's on modern society; but it's only that way because people kept quiet about it, as they still keeping quiet about perversion and the absurdity of SSM and adoption of children into queer make believe families.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 October 2019 8:05:15 AM
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Roman society had no bounds on sexuality, the apostle Paul encounters this especially in Corinth a trading city, that brought traders form around the Empire. Night life and Temple prostitution had no restraints on sexual behaviour.

The apostle Paul introduced purity in marriage to the Christian Church, as even members had not given up incestuous relationships 1 Corinthians 5:1 and they were proud about such. It was making the Church equivalent to the sex temples in the city. 1 Corinthian 5: 9 do not associate in the company of sexually immoral persons who call themselves a follower of Christ. That does not include normal Christian contact with unregenerate persons.

He had to correct immorality in the Church, it is good for a man not to touch a woman [a prostitute 1 Corinthians 6: 15 - 16], [he must respect and refrain from impure passions] As a Christian he should have his own wife instead of lust for prostitutes. The Church still has to deal with the same passion issues today.

That the unregenerate person sees no wrong in immorality, they are not responsible to Christ. They will reap the result of their deeds, sexual disease, poor relationships and damaged children.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 21 October 2019 8:20:26 AM
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Runner, SR is an unregenerate person and sees no immorality in incest, prostitution, adultery as this is normal in his world view. He attempts to pervert the teaching of Christianity to justify his behaviour as normal.

The ultimate agenda post Christian influence on society, is to introduce all sexual behaviours as normal by law. Incest, child brides and homosexuality is then lawfully normal human behaviour as was in pagan society. However it is not Christian morality as designed by our Creator.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 21 October 2019 8:35:44 AM
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Dear Individual,

My point was that a true warrior for nature must be consistent: one cannot honestly criticise a phenomenon on the grounds of it being unnatural while simultaneously promoting other unnatural practices (such as vaccination).

The scientific claims in favour of a certain small percentage of homosexuality go along the lines that homosexuals support their extended families, especially by caring for their nephews and nieces.

In a natural setting, most babies die at a young age, which is why one must procreate much harder. That balance was tipped by human wilfulness and we pay the high price of overpopulation. It could reasonably be that increased homosexuality is nature's second line of defence in trying to restore that balance.

You asked about the personal financial impact it has on me: well couples who produce babies cost me much more than those who do not, even if they have AIDS. Even the schools which government build and maintain for these babies cost more of my tax-money, let alone child-care, universities, healthcare, and other indirect costs (such as to keep the paedophiles that are after these babies in prison). Yes, AIDS also costs through the evils of Medicare, yet far less.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 21 October 2019 9:44:46 AM
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Im not religious so I don’t look at alternative sexual habits from a Christian perspective. I look at these issues from a social and evolutionary perspective.
If homosexuality is inborn, natural and present from birth, and if it had always been accepted and supported throughout history, then no homosexual people would exist today because as they cannot produce children together, the genetic cause would have been eradicated thousands of years ago. As it is, homosexuality should have decreased over the centuries if it has a genetic cause.
And comparison with animals just makes the practise look even worse because not only do animals also engage in incest, pack rape, pedophilia etc, they also engage in inter species sex. That’s very well documented. Monkey having sex with deer, sea lions trying to gave sex with king penguins etc. So no, homosexuality in the animal kingdom is not something we should use as an example of normality.
As for same sex couples raising children, to say that these children do as well as children in a heterosexual family is basically saying that men and women are interchangeable and have no differences. Which has been proved untrue by multiple studies besides being blatantly obvious anyway.
Posted by Big Nana, Monday, 21 October 2019 10:02:57 AM
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Speaking of the Roman Empire, that’s the fate we are heading for.

There is no proof that anyone is born homosexual, just as there is not proof that people are born in the wrong body - that they are the wrong sex. There is clearly visible evidence that a tiny minority of people, and animals, are born with male and female genitalia.

Any other claims are the product of sick minds.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 21 October 2019 10:59:57 AM
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well couples who produce babies cost me much more than those who do not,
Yuyutsu,
I wasn't talking about monetary cost !
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 October 2019 3:20:08 PM
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People rave on about how democratic it all is & here they demand that minority groups get preferences ?
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 9:10:06 PM
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Dear Individual,

«I wasn't talking about monetary cost !»

Then what about?

«People rave on about how democratic it all is & here they demand that minority groups get preferences ?»

Everyone is in one minority or another, more likely one can find oneself in 100's of different minorities. It is not about preferences, but about protections, so that no minority is persecuted by the state.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:00:39 PM
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Then what about?
Yuyutsu,
I was referring to the cost to our society ! Socially, we have for a long time already & are continuously paying an unaffordable high price ! PC & LGBTI are the tools used to dumb down our young & deny them a future.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 24 October 2019 7:07:08 PM
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Dear Individual,

What exactly do you mean by "our society" and "our young"?
I am involved with several societies, but I am not aware of any of them that is common to us both. Fortunately for me personally, I have no young of my own to mourn for either.

If you frequent their circles then PC proponents can be a bit annoying and the LGBTI group can be noisy, but there is nothing for you to worry about if you only mind your own business, turn off the media and just live your own life peacefully and in good company! Also, if you like, you can think of the noises they make like the sad noises of animals when led to the slaughter - try to think of yourself in their situation and the desperate attempts to escape you would have exercised in their place.

The young are doomed anyway and have no hope as overpopulation and the technology that comes with it are closing in. Our generation is so fortunate as we enjoyed the best century for several millennia and for more millennia to come - the 20th, then soon we shall be out of here, oblivious to the future pain of those who stay behind, whom I can only pity. Perhaps this anaesthetic dumbing-down that you were speaking of is not that bad for the younger generations after all, for they (as humans in this ultra-modern exploding world) have no future anyway.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:08:25 PM
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but there is nothing for you to worry about if you only mind your own business, turn off the media and just live your own life peacefully and in good company!
Yuyutsu,
That advise falls into the category of bad things happening when good people do nothing !
Posted by individual, Thursday, 24 October 2019 10:57:09 PM
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Dear Individual,

«That advise falls into the category of bad things happening when good people do nothing !»

Then what else can you do to save the young generations from this population explosion? Prayer is the only thing I can think of!

(but if you have not done so already, then you can at least warn your children and grandchildren against producing any further offspring and make it clear to them that you are not expecting them to)

The PC and LGBTI movements are only symptoms, secondary and tertiary symptoms in fact, so going after them does not solve anything.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:40:28 PM
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NATIONAL SERVICE !
Posted by individual, Friday, 25 October 2019 5:23:00 AM
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Dear Individual,

«NATIONAL SERVICE !»

Such cruelty - aren't you ashamed?!

Even mass euthanasia would be relatively kinder, yet de-sexing of the human race is a better option.

And can you say, hand on heart, that you have not personally contributed to this desperate situation of overpopulation, for which you now want others to suffer?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 25 October 2019 7:40:58 AM
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