Dear Josephus,

I've had IQ tests since the age of five and they have consistently come back at an IQ of 153+ but I don't ever strive for one-up-manship.

And your Genesis verse just says God won't annihilate us all again however we are doing this by our own hand.

Mhaze you seem to like facts. Although you challenge the accuracy of the economics of arrival the first fact that I draw your attention too is that you have not read it. Had you done so then you would have found facts such as these:
The McKinsey Global instituted reports that 81% of the US Population is an income bracket that experienced flat or declining incomes between 2005 -2014 (For other nations Italy 97%, Britain 70% France 63%.
Hardly a ringing endorsement for growth.
US graduates currently owe over a trillion dollars in student loans, another trillion in car loans and another trillion on their credit cards. This effectively means that these graduates are a step away from bankruptcy (you may recall the impact that Trump's decision to shut down government for a month or so had on many workers.)
You will find a broad consensus among economists that the decrease in the benefits of the growth began to occur around 1978.
I understand that you are an engineer in that case you would be familiar with the idea that here is a point of diminishing returns. In Australia we reached that point in the seventies.

IQ tests never stopped anyone from committing adultery or lying. Oh sorry I forget secularist don't believe in absolutes except for the gw nonsense they sprout.

Baygon,

I don't want to assist in having Belly's post side-racked so this will be my last on contribution your Malthusian fantasies. So...

1) I'm not an engineer. You obviously got that from MrO. But he's a certifiable moron. He just made up the claim and then managed to forget that he'd made it up and convinced himself it was true, because (and stop me if I repeat myself) he's a certifiable moron. And anyone who blindly follows the rantings of a certifiable moron is ...well I'll let you finish that sentence.

2)Not an engineer. My background is in international finance/economics. So some familiarity with this issue.

3) I have read as much as I could stand of this Economics of Arrival malarkey.

4) I note that you are going to completely ignore the massive advances in the world in the past half-century and concentrate on supposed stalled growth in some sectors in a few countries over a short time-frame. OK. Just so that we recognise that's what you're doing. Note that not all sectors in those countries stalled in that period and most of those countries showed overall growth in the period. Note also that, in the case of the USA for example, those sectors are now seeing renewed growth and optimism.

5)McKinsey Global institute? You really ought to acquaint yourself with this group. There's a Reuters article floating around somewhere which describes McKinsey's culture of corruption. I could probably dig it up for you if you are interested. They are consultancy firm and part of their shtick is to make things seem disastrous so that potential clients will beg for assistance. Yes there are some groups in the US etc that suffered stagnation for a decade or so. But not all groups and you need to note that there's plenty of evidence that peopled moved in and out of those groups over time.

6) Yes some groups owe a lot of money and that needs to be resolved. But that's a million miles from showing that overall world growth has stopped or is within cooee of stopping

Face it we all have views, those views are linked to our politics and for some at least true belief
But is the climate changing, can we believe the UN report, not how it was bought about, but that it is or is not
Why the extremes, why the heat cold floods droughts fires
Is climate change taking place
Yes in my view
Nothing else can take the constant records being reset away
But is it all bad,what part is good
What part is bad
IF we say no it is not we must find answers for those five years of new records, those melted ice sheets
Let us not confuse why it is taking place with my question is it taking place at all

Belly, Have a look at the Cyclone and wildfire trends in Willie Soon's charts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJ3yeiNjf4