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http://medium.com/@ProfByron/how-i-changed-my-mind-about-global-warming-f603a8aca3da

A former Greenie Global warming alarmist scientist changes his mind.
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 12 October 2019 10:33:35 AM
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Belly,

So now we're getting closer to your true prejudices: it's Africa, India and China whose populations have to be cut back ?

First, China's the rate of growth in birth numbers is declining rapidly, and will be zero in a few years. So populations will 'grow' only because of medical advances and better standard of living in that unfortunate totalitarian country. How do you propose to cut back the population of those older people ?

Second, India is approaching zero population growth in its birth numbers - 2.3 children per woman, compared to 2.1 children per woman for zero population growth. It still has high death rates, including of children, so effectively it may have already reached ZPG in terms of births. India's numbers will rise in the future mainly because of medical advances, as people live longer.

Africa: is this your real concern ? Too many black people ? How would you propose to slash their populations before they're - horrors ! - too numerous ? Disease ? Civil wars ? Starvation ? What's your weapon of choice ?

Am I accusing you of blatant racism ? Yes.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 12 October 2019 11:11:58 AM
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Loud mouth are you ok? hold your bitter biases and think
NO WAY I ever said some races should be the ones to reduce population
You once had a better view of the world than you have now
This thread was about climate, BUT it could have asked the impact of population growth on climate
It touched on both but never ever was it my intention [seems to be yours] that any one race or country should face reduction of population on its own
Parts of the world are over populated, in the short term some parts, right now, are under populated see the answer?
Long term a stable population must be an out come or we kill us all
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 12 October 2019 12:04:44 PM
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God, here we go again.

Which parts of the world are over-populated ? Coincidentally, do those parts have very low levels of technology ? i.e. if their agricultural technology was up to world levels,k would they still be over-populated ?

And if manufacturing - half of India's work-force is in manufacturing and services - was up to world levels, would they be over-populated ? Can you see that there is no 'natural' level of population, it depends on many factors including productive technology - corruption, incompetence of leaders, cronyism, etc drag countries back. But they're not innate factors or forever. Hopefully.

But leave the stupidity to Misopinionated, with his 'the world reached sustainability limits on June 26, 1975, at 4.45 pm'.

Think about technology alone as making a huge difference: in the Middle Ages, an acre was defined as the area of land which man could plough with a bullock, in one day. Now think of today's technology: both you and I have probably ploughed paddocks with modern tractors, turning up hundreds of acres each day. And with each day's work, helping the eventual growth of hundreds of tonnes of grain, at around $ 120-150 per tone - i.e. eventually tens of thousands of dollars' worth of grain each day.

Of course, people using hoes, or ploughs being pulled by bullocks can't dig up or make as much as that each day. But if they had the most modern technology ? Would they be 'over-populated' ? Of course not. Try to think things through, Belly.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 12 October 2019 12:24:12 PM
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Best you give up reading my posts Loudmouth
Have always had a soft spot for you '
But never ever going to give up my thought over population is no pun intended a growing problem
A problem that will be up front world wide very soon and much talked about
In fact the next big big thing as big as climate change will be population and the fact is must not grow forever
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 12 October 2019 4:15:11 PM
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Belly,

Try this exercise:

* You believe there is over-population. Take your time to write down your main reasons for thinking this. Imagine that you're trying to persuade someone, with all of your most persuasive reasons:

Reason 1:

Reason 2:

Reason 3:

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 12 October 2019 7:03:52 PM
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