mhaze
Did you not call for cuts to the basic wage?
Did you infer some on the dole [more than some me thinks] are low life
Mate try to consider others views with some reality involved
The reason for the thread but only in part is to negate the need for putting the boot in to those we talk of
Right now even government branches are calling for a rise, not a fall, in social security and wages to get the economy moving

"Did you not call for cuts to the basic wage?"

No

"Did you infer some on the dole [more than some me thinks] are low life"

No

"The reason for the thread but only in part is to negate the need for putting the boot in to those we talk of"

No boots...just a leg up.

"Right now even government branches are calling for a rise, not a fall, in social security and wages to get the economy moving"

Me too. My proposal shows how to increase the income of the unemployed by increasing government payments too them.

But its clear Belly that you are so tangled up in your ideology and 1970s thinking that you haven't got a hope of understanding what these new ideas are saying.

Why not just try to understand that a policy that gives those looking for work a job AND an increase in net income is worth a second thought.

I must have been pretty incompetent for them to still call me for ideas & solutions, two years after retiring !

http://www.9news.com.au/national/a-current-affair-welfare-fraud-government-crackdown-online-scams/18043d4b-3245-49bd-8f54-3be1c9649ec7
Horrific? failure of the systems? both but some defend the idea any fraud takes place
Welfare reform must come, be not a punishment but a true over view of who should and should not get it

Belly,
I agree, those who rot the system however must at least be made to repay any money received under false pretence. We should also fine those who cause the loopholes after all, they're employed to keep a lid on the show & rewarded handsomely yet they don't do their job !
There must be a deterrent otherwise they'll always exploit the loopholes. We must close the loopholes. A re-think is long overdue !

individual yes agree but like getting blood out of a stone with many
And if we do nothing other things begin to take place
For instance, the link said we have ,more fraud in over all social welfare than any other country
You I, and many know, our boat people include folk coming for a share of that
IF we did do some thing like this, accountability would be first benefit
In time, after we ironed out the faults, we could lead the world in this area not tail off behind
Sure there will be problems, but worth the chance
IF we set out to build that national path/road for back packers, bikes horses foot traffic and motor car access, it could be first job for youth, including training