m haze my thought is first we benefit, see I and you know fraud exists, not just unwilling to work folk true false claims from people working
And multiple ones from true fraudsters
Yes costs are a concern, but we need not mirror some of the current under paid work for the dole waste
Here those supervising took ownership of every thing at jobs end, chain saws heaps of stuff
Yes we need to keep costs down, so? contract out the management,closely supervised but cost driven results driven type of work
Country Doctors, Doctors from racial groups, have believe me have, helped work shy get on disability pensions, and ensured they keep more patients in their surgery
This can work in results in controlling fraud in building a better country in helping get real jobs for workers via training

Here's the solution. But it'll never be implemented.

Do away with the dole and do away with the minimum wage. Everyone who is capable of work will get a job even if the pay is paltry.

Then implement a negative income tax - call it the top-up scheme. Every worker whose wage is less than a given amount - say $40000 adjusted for family circumstances - gets a top-up payment to bring their wage up to that figure. The top-up payment is made each week or fortnight upon the lodgement of a valid pay slip from a recognised employer ie an employer registered in the PAYE system.

Only those doing paid work get the payment. Those who aren't capable of paid work (disabled, etc) go on a different scheme - most are anyway. If you want to live in a place where there isn't paid work, well tough, no job no pay. Move or travel to work.

Zero unemployment within two years. Reduce the Centrelink workforce by half.

But it takes the government out of the issue (other than making the payments and verifying the data) and therefore it won't happen.

mhaze,
You're totally missing the point ! It's not to do with saving money, it's about saving our society !

m haze your plan reintroduces class warfare
That gave birth to communism and indeed Socialism in the past
Nation building need not be so uncaring
Individual has got it right
Seems few want to comment but this at least sets out a plan for the good of the country
SOME do leach of Social security, some think that is ok
It never will be, the acts of Children of unwed parents, to target unfairly receivers EG cashless card drug testing robo debt, can all be stopped forever if we have the guts to try some thing new
EG rebuild local bush fire brigades by letting service there count as work
Make education and training for work a job
Build that national trail make those over night camp sites clean up our rivers the list is endless

Thanks for the thread Belly,

Firstly I'll say that all the unemployed are not some monolithic homogeneous lot, its not a case of like one, like all. The unemployed are as varied in attitude to their circumstance in life as the rest of the community. Those that participate in criminal activity, fraud, theft etc, then the short answer is they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Another group are the permanently lazy, who simply don't want to work, and no matter what system, or inducements you try to offer this mob will always be looking to shirk any form of effort, be it genuine work, or some national boot camp system as proposed by Indy.

The group of the greatest concern are the genuine unemployed, those that find themselves through circumstance wanting a job, but having no job. These are the people who need real and lasting help. The don't need any "Micky Mouse" schemes, or philosophically driven hurtful programs to belt them supposedly into work.People who are genuinely unemployed, and they are as varied in make up as is the rest of the community need to be given the opportunity to have a rewarding lasting, well paid job. Achieving that for those people is the $64 question.

Foxy I hear what you say, but different people, in different circumstances at a different time. Be proud of your parents and family, and all the other post war migrants, who despite all the adversity they had experienced, nothing we can comprehend, managed to overcome and establish a new life for themselves. they were very determined people who didn't allow their tragic circumstances of their past life in Europe get the better of them.

the short answer is they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Paul1405,
I'm with you on that & to make it all work we need to start prosecuting those Govt officers who fail to act in the first place. Then move on to the those Centrelink officers who fail to actually dissect a case & merely opt for the easy & highly immoral way by simply throwing all eggs into one basket. They're the ones who make criminals out of victims & reward the criminals !