Most of the accusations made about a moral mess of Christian values are not Christian morals or Christian values. For the truth of what are Christian morals and values read the teachings of Jesus.

The opinions or values referred to are not Christian but behaviour by some who have called themselves "Christian". Those following the positive teachings of Christ adhere to a pure morality and values that he taught that enhance a persons life and bring peace and well being to a community.

This is not within the nature of most atheists who prefer to flout the moral tenets of society and allow unrestricted immoral behaviour to flourish, and whose value systems is "if it feels good then do it". Most atheists claim such because it absolves their moral conscience. They are not accountable for anything in their life that they can get away with.

Philo, the jails are full of Christians that did something immoral; other Christians state that these Christians are not ‘good’ Christians or that these people shouldn't call themselves “Christians”. You can’t pick and choose who you want in your religion.

There is nothing more moral about being a Christian than about being an atheist.
In fact, Christians have more reasons for immoral behaviour because their book is full of it.

Christians pick and choose from the Bible those things they agree with and ignore the rest. They are ignoring God’s word, the laws of the Bible, when they seem immoral.

Jesus shouldn’t have bothered to come and fulfill these laws; Christians are ignoring them no matter what Jesus said.

And these Christians are doing the right thing because they realise that going around stoning people to death would be extremely immoral.

Who would be more moral, a Christian who obeys every law in the Bible without exception, or the atheist who innately judges whether something would be moral or not in this day and age?

"or the atheist who innately judges whether something would be moral or not in this day and age?"

Well that is a key point! How moral is it only to not do something,
because one fears judgement day or hell etc? Fear and hope are
alot of the driving factors behind religion, not moral judgements.

Give me thinking humanists any day :)

In fact the RC Church was heavily involved in helping Allied servicemen and escaped PsOW and others to remain out of Germany's clutches.

Just thought I'd throw that alternative view in, purely in the interest of balance.

Essentially acting as a Christian is not defined by adhering to a set of rules, but living in relationship with others that promotes honesty, credibility, peace, joy and selflessness in community.

Jesus constantly was in trouble with the Pharisees because he ignored the Jewish set of rules. He promoted neighbourliness, healing and self sacrifice as the values of living Gods way. The Jews ultimately plotted his death because he failed to follow their set of rules. Christianity is not a set of rules it is relationship. Reconciliation is its key message.

The accusation is made that Christ revealed incarnate in the life of his followers is in a moral mess. No analysis is made of how the behaviour of humans reflects the nature of Christ as he lived his life.

Most of the accusations made about human moral behaviour rather reflect the attitude of Christ's opponents. It does not mean every action of those who make the claim to follow Christ actualy reflect the glory of God. Christ constanly reminded his disciples of attitudes and actions that failed to reveal the glory and wisdom of God. The case is made however that sinners follow Jesus Christ, and they need to abandon the evil practises that reflect former atitudes and actions not submitted to Christ and adopted the righteousness of God.

Take the words, the attitude, the behaviour and wisdom of Christ and evaluate their human behaviour displayed in the light of this criterion and then if agreead it actually reflects the revelation of Christ - then one may have a case of Christ being incarnate in their life is in a moral mess. As yet I find no fault in Christ and on this forum there has not been presented a case that Christ incarnate in the life of his followers is in a moral mess.