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Cardinal Pell's Appeal Fails.

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Dear HenryL,

Why did I know that when I went to check your 'facts' I would probably find that yet again you are full of it.

You failed to disappoint.

Here is the relevant summary of the change;

“Subclause (2) inserts new sections 164(4) to (6), which relate to
corroboration directions in criminal trials. New section 164(4)
provides that, subject to new subsection (5), the judge must not
warn the jury that it is dangerous to act on uncorroborated
evidence or give a warning to the same or similar effect, or direct
the jury regarding the absence of corroboration. Currently, such
warnings or directions are "not necessary" (see section 164(3)),
but there are good policy reasons for ensuring that such
directions are not given at all.”

So when you wrote;

“Before 2015 there was presumption of innocence in Victoria and I understand that if accusations were made about a person, with no corroborating evidence, the case was dismissed or the judge instructed the jury to find the accused not guilty. On the 29 th June 2015 the Jury Directions Act changed all that and a single complaint from an accuser forces the accused to prove his innocence. Also the new 2015 Act removed the need for a judge to direct a jury to be wary of uncorroborated evidence. This changed the value of victims written statements to a level that can now no longer be questioned.”

You were actually full of it.

Not a single contention you made in your post is factual. Name even just one you are prepared to stand by absolutely and give justification for it.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 10:52:52 PM
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Tie me kangaroo down sport, I apologises to the legion of Rolf Harris fans on the forum, I inadvertently called your pin up boy Ross Harris, sorry!

HenryL I though you were on to it until you went of course with that nonsense about Pell had to prove himself innocent nonsense, I'd expect that from Andy Bolt and the air head Miranda Devine.

The conspiracy theists have gone into overdrive, now its the Italian Mafia bring Pell down.

ruuner, you do a fine job of avoiding any mention of your church and paedophiles. I can only assume you are reticent in discussing your church as it would be exposed just like the rest of them. Any some very quirky types down there?
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 7:04:32 AM
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This garbage has been going on for a week.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 10:04:37 AM
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Bad news about your pin up boy Rolf. Seems they let the kiddy fiddler out of the slammer, and he headed straight for the children's playground. With Archy Pell in solitary confinement, maybe they could stick dear old Rolf in with him for company, and a play mate.

Gee, my idea of Trial by Ordeal is looking better all the time. All agree?
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:23:27 AM
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Having read the Appeal Judges' findings, it is now apparent that none of the witnesses lied they were merely mistaken in their recollections, except for the dead boy who is presumed to have lied to his mother to save her feelings (he's dead so he can't tell us).

One would assume that as no witnesses lied and all were mistaken at some point, including the accuser, then there exists reasonable doubt.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:47:23 PM
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Convicted Pedophile in a Church that has great numbers under investigation or in prison end story
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 1:26:47 PM
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