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Cardinal Pell's Appeal Fails.

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Dear Paul,

The Court of Appeal judges looked at all of
the evidence again. They watched the videos
of all of the witnesses, they went to the
places the jury was taken to and they even
examined the robes. They did it all again.
They were a third jury - and the majority found
for the complainant against the Cardinal. His
conviction by a unanimous jury was upheld by
the judges.

Pell is a guilty child abuser.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:12:37 PM
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Runner, when are you going to answer that question I've asked you so many times before. How many paedophiles have been uncovered in YOUR church?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 A

I would be confident in saying far less than the Greens Paul.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:22:23 PM
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Dear Foxy,

I am of the opinion that Justice Weinberg wanted to get Pell off the hook. Apparently he made a comment that Pell wasn't dressed for the occasion viz the sexual assault of a minor, which to me is a very strange comment to make under the circumstances. it's not the sort of comment I would expect to hear from someone in his position. I think Weinberg needs to explain this comment.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:27:24 PM
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If indeed what is alleged happened and if indeed it was Cardinal Pell who abused those two boys (which was practically impossible), then the wishes of the other boy were disrespected: he was betrayed and abused a second time. If indeed that happened, then the other boy chose wisely to forgive and stop the propagation of violence and suffering. Those who delight in revenge and seeing others suffer, will surely experience that suffering themselves.

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The question was raised, "What would Christ make of him?"

Jesus would have upheld the Jewish Torah law:

"On the testimony of two or three witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness." [Deuteronomy 17:6]

"One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." [Deuteronomy 19:15]

Also, the following verse, [Deuteronomy 17:7] says:
"The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you."

What has been done to Cardinal Pell is worse than death, yet the witness, the so-called "victim", has chickened out and is nowhere to be seen, he is not even available to face Pell in person and answer questions. Surely that evil cold-hearted man who inflicted such cruel suffering on his fellow, will receive his justice when he rots in hell.

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Dear Foxy,

The court of appeal was not a jury because they were not asked whether or not there is any reasonable doubt that Cardinal Pell did what was alleged. Rather, it was asked whether or not the jury (some or all, that was a hair-splitting question) could be without doubt, which is a very different question altogether.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:27:33 PM
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Foxy,

Beyond reasonable doubt?

One boy says he did and the other said that it was all a lie, before he died.

So one boy is a liar.

Which one?

Few if any people recant the truth when facing death especially someone who, presumably, still believed in life after death.
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:29:25 PM
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Dear HenryL,

You write;

“I think that Christ would be appalled that Pell was convicted on mere accusations alone, as he was, before the crucifixion. No supporting evidence of any kind was presented. People that call themselves Christians should take note.”

For f's sake. Really? Don't you think he would have instead been utterly dark with rage that those who claim his name raped, buggered and abused their way though thousands upon thousands of Aussie kids, year after year, generation after generation while Pell not only participated as proved by this judgement, but condoned and connived to protect all those offenders who held office within the Christian church in which he held leadership?

Do you really think Pell would occupy Christ's mind ahead of all those who were abused at his hands and on his watch? Ahead of those poor terrified children who suffered dreadfully but were not believed? Ahead of all those who cut their own lives short because of the pain and trauma inflicted upon them?

Pell might well be at the head of your list because I have heard virtually nothing from you about the victims of the Church's abuses and inaction. But I wager he would be near the very back of Christ's list.

“But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6

You risk becoming runner level evil. Don't go there.

Dear mhaze,

Risdale molested whole class rooms of kids at the Mortlake primary school and none of them spoke out at the time. It was only the royal commission that many found the strength to come forward.

Here is the judgement in full. Have a read with an open mind and see if you still think the same way.
http://www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-08/pell_v_the_queen_2019_vsca_186_-_web_updated_22082019.pd
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:30:07 PM
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