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Cardinal Pell's Appeal Fails.

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No more prosecution of the Catholic mafia, they are working on a 20 year plan to rid their organisation of paedophiles, well so it would seem. The fact is most sections of the Catholic Church still turns a blind eye to paedophilia within. How many of those old blokes who sit around the table in Rome, just like Pell have a skeleton or two in the cupboard?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 August 2019 4:04:48 PM
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Belly,
You ask, 'What would Christ make of him" (Pell)

It is long ago, but I did attend Sunday School (Anglican) when a child and learnt about Jesus and his teachings.

I think that Christ would be appalled that Pell was convicted on mere accusations alone, as he was, before the crucifixion. No supporting evidence of any kind was presented. People that call themselves Christians should take note.
Posted by HenryL, Thursday, 22 August 2019 5:11:12 PM
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I keep getting told we need to respect the decision. But ya know what, we really don't.

We need to accept it. We need to recognise that all the judicial procedures were followed. We need to accept that Pell was allowed to have his say. But we don't need to respect the outcome. We don't need to accept that true justice was done.

In the end, unless new information comes forth, I'll never accept that the outcome was just. It simply wasn't.

If the so-called victim was telling the truth (and all and sundry are anxious to believe he was) then there were three people in the Sacristy that morning.

One of them is dead, the 'other choir boy'. Before his death, he was asked directly by his mother if he'd been ‘interfered with or touched up’. He said no, never.

One of them, Pell, said nothing happened as described by the prosecution.

And one, the claimed victim, said he'd been assaulted.

Now there's no need to make up stories about the victim creating the thing out of whole cloth. It’s not an issue about whether we believe he believes his tale.

The simple fact is that two of the three people in that room, if indeed they were in that room, said nothing happened. In a just system, that's the end of it. Not guilty because he wasn't proven guilty.

/cont
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 22 August 2019 6:17:13 PM
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/cont

There used to be a presumption of innocence. But, in our new style justice system, people belonging to certain disapproved groups are never innocent. It just becomes as case of finding enough evidence to allow a jury to give vent to the community’s hatred of that group. Not conclusive evidence mind you. Just enough to salve the conscious.

So this new just system becomes a contest of whose word to accept. Everyone seems to accept that the so-called victim was believable. And of course the alleged perpetrator had been vilified for the better part of a decade and was thereby unbelievable.

But justice never was and can't be a contest between two versions of an event. The theory used to be that you were innocent until proven guilty. But Pell was never proven guilty. He was believed to be guilty and that's not the same thing. The theory was that it was better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be gaoled. That rule has also departed the new judicial system.

So I won't respect the decision. Of course the outcome of all this was a close run thing. The original jury was 10-2 for acquittal. IF one of the two had voted the other way, then Pell walks. Had the trial been held anywhere other than Victoria, Pell walks. And in those circumstances, those currently piously demanding respect for the judicial system would be screaming for its overhaul.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 22 August 2019 6:18:02 PM
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'There used to be a presumption of innocence. But, in our new style justice system, people belonging to certain disapproved groups are never innocent.'

so true Mhaze, just look at the lying liberal women who made up claims against Kavanaugh's appointment in the US. The haters claimed that no women could lie unless of course a conservative woman.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 22 August 2019 6:26:22 PM
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The crazy right are beside themselves! Yep, the ones who are down on refugees, gays, aboriginals, women, workers etc etc, are upset that one of their own, a dirty supposedly conservative far right Catholic paedophile is behind bars. Oh! how they hate justice!

Now its a conspiracy of the far left Commie judiciary. Another yokel in the form of mhaze, has joined the fray.

runner, when are you going to answer that question I've asked you so many times before. How many paedophiles have been uncovered in YOUR church?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 August 2019 6:49:09 PM
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