OK. Here's the thing.

I dislike dislike.
I am intolerant of the intolerant.

I do not like ANY of it because it is nasty; it is unkind; it is cruel.
I am fully capable of responding with technical detail/history etc.,..you know the stuff.
I don't do so because that is what I do for a fair percentage of my time.
I don't do so because OLO has many members who are well up for handling this kind of rubbish, and they do it eloquently with some of the best responses I have ever seen on any forum.

Above all else....;I don't do it because I cannot take those who spew this bile seriously. It never fails to disgust me that so-called intelligent people can be so full of themselves and their vicious views.

I will engage as I choose to.

One more thing. ALL forums have Left/Right/Racist views. All espouse their views; they argue/discuss.

But D.BOAZ you use this forum as a church pulpit. You do not discuss; you preach. You are using OLO as a vehicle to spread the Gospel according to D.BOAZ. I have never seen that before; it is an ugly thing to do, because it is a dishonest way to preach.

CJ Morgan said: "Cultures adapt and change over time or they die out."

So you admit that cultures can be displaced and become extinct? Do you accept that a dramatic immigration-driven demographic transformation is enough to cause such a cultural extinction? Is, for example, the Asianisation of Sydney and the resultant demographic phenomenon of 'white flight' not an example of one cultural group displacing another?

A few points about mass immigration and multiculturalism and why such policies are destroying our country's sense of nationhood.

1. All nations are nations of immigrants, it's just that their immigration was quite gradual. Even Australia (until recently) had a more gradual immigration pattern with periods of time between waves for assimilation.

2. There is currently no "resting period" for the new immigrants to assimilate into the mainstream.

3. The current wave of immigrants are coming from nations vastly different to our own and in unprecedented numbers. Most of these new immigrants have almost nothing in common with the predominant European-derived culture of Australia.

4. Not only has our nation's cultural absorptive capacity been completely overwhelmed, but the Australian mainstream is actually shrinking in both absolute and relative terms. New immigrants are less likely to assimilate into the mainstream if the present mainstream culture disappears.

5. There is now an active movement opposed to any form of assimilation (the clamorous multiculturalists). Rather, 'diversity' is encouraged at the expense of Australia's national culture. This is leading us inexorably down the nation-destroying road toward separate development - apartheid with a feel-good multiculturalist facelift.

James Purser,
Your thoughts about MC and integration are not so radical. In fact I tend to agree with much you said in that post.

I think you will find, with the demise of MC, the emphasis will change from the promotion of foreign national cultures to that of being part of Australian community firstly. Of course people will still be able to follow much of their birth culture, within the limits of our laws and social standards.

Those that introduced MC may well have had good intentions, but in practise it did not work out that way. It divided us along foreign nationalist lines and did nothing to promote unity. That is my main objection to MC.

One other matter was that the term multiculturalism is indefinative. It means different things to different people. An example of this is that you claim that we have always been MC. I disagree with that and say that we have always been multi-racial i,e, population made up of people from different groups, but all people had to adapt to the central culture if they chose to live here. It was not untill the 1970s that MC was imposed and the emphasis was shifted to the promotion of foreign national cultures ahead of Australian culture.
People were then encouraged to retain foreign cultures and languages. Commercial signs went up written in foreign languages, media broadcasts in foreign languages and so on.

I believe the change will benefit our community and I will not mind at all if some of the funds that previously went to the MC industry are used to provide more english language courses.

Boaz David said: "Demographic Change... Neither of those things are of major concern apart from where they may become over-represented, or..where the perctages arriving can alter our existing demographic balance in ways unexpected."

This is indeed the problem we are experiencing in our capital cities. Read below:

A split for Australia

Reporter: Bryan Seymour
Broadcast Date: July 18, 2007

It's official. New immigration figures from the Bureau of Statistics show Australia is being split in two.

Migrants from Asia now outnumber those from Europe and New Zealand, while multicultural Australia is now divided by race.

Dr Robert Birrell runs the Centre for Population and Urban Research at Monash University. He's an authority on the subject and he's worried.

"Sydney and Melbourne are diverging from the rest of Australia," Dr Robert Birrell said.

Immigration figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show Asia has now overtaken Europe and New Zealand combined. Almost all new Asian migrants are heading to either Sydney or Melbourne.

"(We now live in) two Australias, because Melbourne and Sydney can be regarded as one Australia where you've got very high proportions of persons born overseas," Dr Birrell said.

"In Sydney, about 40 per cent of all adults are born overseas, in Melbourne it's about just over 30 per cent."

"I don't think facts lie. Australia's population is changing.

"Sydney and Melbourne are diverging from the rest of Australia.

"In the case of Sydney, by far the biggest single source of migrants in recent years is China and in the case of Melbourne it's now India," Dr Birrell added. "We're a nation that's now split."

Full article:

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/40078/none/split-australia

Dresdener,

You are seriously quoting Today Tonight in a serious discussion? Thats like the Pope quoting Ginger Meggs.

Of course our two biggest cities have high rates of immigration, if you have a look all over the world, big cities attract more people. You want to balance things up, give people a reason to move out to the regions.

No, I was citing Dr. Bob Birrell, an expert on immigration and other demographic matters. If you disagree with Dr. Birrell's conclusions, then please provide some reason why. Do you dispute that these socio-demographic trends are occurring?