Hi Paul -

QUOTE:

il Duce,

As a recent decedent of barbarians yourself, you find it hard to equate your racists attitudes with reality. Whilst your recent ancestors were hacking each other to death, Aboriginal people in Australia were living peaceful settled lives. Many, not all, were engaged in agriculture, living a bountiful fulfilled existence. Sadly at the same time your crowd were engaged in the most despicable acts of barbarism, the hoards from the north! In about 1,000 years or so your's may reach the same level of sophistication Aboriginal people were able to achieve for thousands of years before the European invasion, nothing would please me more. BTW what year did you invade?
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 13 July 2019 10:27:33 PM'

Peaceful settled lives - you don't have to read many of the early explorers writings that the tribes were anything but peaceful.
It was the nature of stone age survival to have intertribal warfare and cannibalism;infanticide;genocide - all stone age people did it.
It is still happening in PNG in 2019.
However...
Check this work in progress of the murdering of whites.
From pre settlement in 1788.
Shipwrecks were a ready made pantry.
1606 1 Unnamed sailor Carpentier River From the ship Duyfken. Killed by missiles from the blacks. https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/catalogue_resources/a397223.txt
1606 Unnamed sailor 1 Cape Keerweer Duyfken. (9 UNNAMED SAILORS) https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/218805405
1606 Unnamed sailor 2 Cape Keerweer From the ship Duyfken. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/218805405

https://australianhistory972829073.wordpress.com/

@ Paul1405

To whom are you addressing as Il Duce?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=il%20duce

Foxy wrote..."You stated that Bruce Pascoe did not receive awards for "his history."

Nup. What I said was that the awards he got were not history awards ie that he is not being taken seriously in history circles. Things like the NSW Literary awards are normally given out for fiction...which seems about right here also.

Paul wrote..." ..in fact the evidence is that at the time of European settlement, and there after, most tribes encountered by Europeans were settled people. "

That's utter rubbish unless you want to torture the word 'settled'. A nomad is someone without a fixed dwelling. Sturt, for example, didn't come across any tribes with fixed dwellings. One tribe he found that had what he called 'huts' (probably lean-to) thought so little of them that they immediately burnt them on seeing Sturt's party.

Foxy wrote of ALTRAV..." 4) You're a wa**er!"

He's a waiter? It couldn't have been the other word because Foxy abhors abuse on this site and wouldn't want to be seen as an utter hypocrite.

Dear Narelle47,

Firstly good to see you didn't mean it when you picked up your bat and ball.

Secondly well done on providing some sources for your assertions as fraught as they are.

In fact they prove exactly the opposite to what you would like.

This was the encounter when 8 sailors were killed;

“One night, the sound of pounding drums was heard so the following day Janszoon and Rosengeyn decided to dispatch a boat crew to try and make contact with the unseen inhabitants. Drumming recommenced as the boat came to a halt on the muddy shoreline and the 12 men struggled through a mangrove swamp to a clearing. The drumming abruptly stopped - it was an uneasy silence for the men.

Suddenly, and without warning, the forest erupted into a frenzy and before the men could lift their muskets to fire, dozens of fearsome natives fired a hail of arrows - 8 of the men lay dead or dying. The 4 remaining sailors were quick to fire their muskets but, panic-stricken, staggered back towards the boat. Still loading and firing, they freed the boat from the muddy shoreline and rowed furiously back to their ship. The crew were stunned by the suddenness of the tragedy.”

After which;

“he sailed away from the coastline, heading further south in search of an open passage through to the Pacific. It was dangerous work as the area is a maze of small islands, outcrops and reefs. Finally the channel appeared between the mainland and islands. He attempted to chart and sail through the opening but the current was flowing with such violence that he was unable to make headway.”

This was Torres Strait.

“He contented himself by swinging south again, passing an island he charts as Frederick Hendrick Island.”

“As dawn breaks on the new year of 1606, the landscape had changed dramatically - it was now barren and grey. Janszoon raised his telescope to look at this foreboding land – could it be part of Terra Australis - the Great South Land that scholars speculated upon?”

Cont..

Cont..

Now this is obviously Australia. So what happens?

“He sailed and charted nearly 300 miles of shoreline however with provisions running drastically low, he turned about at a point he charts as Cape Keerweer – Cape Turnaround. They sailed back up the charted coast, past their original landfall, eventually coming to a river mouth Janszoon named Batavia River.”

“It was at this river that Janszoon made the decision to accompany a longboat crew who rowed up the estuary in search of a desperately needed food source. As Janszoon and crew were negotiating the narrowing river, ominous black tribesmen seemingly appeared from nowhere. Fearful of another massacre, the crew started firing into the gathering tribe, wounding some of the startled natives. They immediately retaliated by propelling their long spears towards the boat, fatally wounding one of the oarsmen. Willem shouted frantically to his men to turn about as he fired off his pistols. With all speed they made it back to the Duyfken.”
http://www.vochistory.org.au/duyfken.html

Drums and bows and arrows, north of Torres Strait – obviously New Guinea

Tribesmen with spears south of Torres Strait – Australia

So without provocation they opened fire on Australian Aborigines and you are trying to make the case that it was the Aborigines who were the savages? Doesn't fly I'm afraid.

Once again congratulations for now attempting to back your claims up with sources. Perhaps now you will take the next step and make sure they are supporting the point you are trying to put. We will make a decent contributor of you yet.

Of course my sources or version could be wrong so are definitely worth review. That is dialogue.

Talking about the truth of Australia's history?

Shooting, poisonings and children driven off cliffs.
This is a record of state-sanctioned slaughter in
a special report in the Guardian which tells us
that the truth of Australia's history has long been
hiding in plain sight.

The stories of the "killing times"are the ones we have
heard in secret or told in hushed tones. They are not
stories that appear in our history books yet they refuse to
go away.

The colonial journalist, and barrister
Richard Windeyer called\it "the whispering in
the bottom of our hearts."The anthropologist
William Stanner described a national "cult of forgetfulness."

A 1927 royal commission lamented our "conspiracy of silence."

But calls now are growing for a national truth telling process.
Such wishes are expressed in the Uluru Statement from the
Heart.

Reconciliation Australia's 2019 barometer of attitudes to
Indigenous peoples found 80% of people considered truth
telling important. Almost 70% of Australians accept
that Aboriginal people were subject to mass killings,
incarceration, and forced removal from land, and
their movement was restricted. The frontier wars and how
massacres spread with colonisation are given in the
following link:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/04/the-killing-times-the-massacres-of-aboriginal-people-australia-must-confront

mhaze,

The meaning, usage, and cultural significance of the word
" wa**er" needs to be understood. Our society values
tolerance and open-mindedness. The word you seem to
have had in
mind - is a socially
levelling term and it ridicules a person who is
pretentious, arrogant and intolerant. However, your
assumption could also be wrong. I might have been referring
to a different word all together. Such as - Waster, warder,
wafter, wacker, or wagger - to name just a few.

Also once again, for your information - the NSW Premier's
Literary Awards have many categories. Not just for fiction.
Bruce Pascoe won the "Book of the Year" award for his
" rigorous, thorough, historic, interrogation of our past..."

He has also won the Australia Council Award for Life Time
Achievement and life long contribution to Australian
writing having published more than 20 Adult and children's
titles. He is not a passing fad as you suggest.