iL Duce, its impossible to take anything you say seriously, coming across as a self indulgent opinionated blowhard in the way you do. This discussion just highlights your pompous attitude towards those that refuse to accept you as the "infallible one" (are you the Pope). The fact you have not read a single word of Pascoe's book is immaterial to you, why, because you and no one else knows the real truth. Maybe you could organise a book burning, where Pascoe's, and other unapproved "rubbish", can be disposed of in the way it should be. After all if it does not conform to "your thinking" how on earth could it possible be correct.

Take a tip, you probably don't know where your local library is, but in the off chance you do why not borrow a book, even if its only Peppa Pigs 'Bedtime Stories for Little Ones' it will go a long way towards broadening your knowledge of this world.

Foxy,

If the learned gentlemen said that which you quote then they are revealed as fools or in need of a competent proofreader, there is no way that the observations of explorers of the 1840s or so can validate claims about thousands of years before Cook,one doesn't need to read the book to label such a claim as fatuous.

It is stupid claims such as this that give ammunition to the doubters and to point out this fact is not nitpicking.

Belly,

"The thread tells of farming six thousand years ago
And some if not in words clearly in thought do not want to know about it
Yet if it was about say Eskimos [who lived similar lives] it would be believed without trouble"

Where would the Eskimos have farmed?

The next day, the Bears family arose in the customary fashion. Mother made the porridge as was usual in the small bare two storied house.
And Father bear in his gruff voice, issued his command to march out into the forest and search for blackberries suitably ripe, to adorn the three bowls of porridge left cooling on the kitchen table.

"Mommy", cried baby bear, as she clung to his/her mothers mitten, with a look of terrror in his/her eyes, " Will the naughty policeman take daddy away again for calling blackberries blackberries; I love their new name mommy, coloured berries makes them taste so much nicer, don't you think mommy " ?

Father bear suddenly stopped. Spying a frightened fox skulking behind a tree. Mother bear moved quickly beside father bear, and they continued to stare in suprise at the condition of the poor animal.

More evidence the white knights are invading our forest, said father bear to mother bear.
Cousin black bear saw a white blond child running ragged in our forest only yesterday, Father bear continued.

Mother bear looked frightened. And casting a furtive glance at her sibling wide eyed innocent child, continued in conversation with father bear.
Is it the great white knight Altrav in our beautiful forest again? Asked mother bear of father bear.

I do believe the whites are staging a takeover. Said father most concerned.

Only yesterday, cousin black bear saw a white blond girl talking to a white rabbit at a party deeper in our forest.

Oh dear said mother bear, then best we be making tracks back to our beautiful isolated home for breakfast?

More tomorrow children, as we examine the continuing story of a blissful life of ignorance in the deep dark forest with the tree bears.

Dan.

Paul the frustrating difference between myself and you and your mates is that you are prepared to believe 'everything, without question', where-as I am not.
If you truly are a mature man of some years, you should be more diligent with a strong sense of skepticism.
Now YOU and your running mates might be comfortable with your level of naivety and gullibility, but I am not.
The problem is that you lot have had your head in books for way too long and not enough time in the 'real' world.
In reference to the topic we are currently debating, if you wish to accept this event, that is your choice, but if you are truly honest with yourself, using the information you already know on this topic, you should be reacting with questions and not with compliance.
You read something and say WOW, how exciting.
I read the same thing and say WOW, really?
The difference is you believe things unequivocally, I do not.
If I 'feel' something is not right, I look further.
The idea of 'feeling' something is a subconscious phenomenon therefore is a natural manifestation and devoid of any form of intervention or agenda.
We all have this sense, instinctively, even you Paul, the difference is you suppress yours and prefer to go with a third party's version of events rather than question them, even though your 'gut' might say otherwise.
Your attitude is a dangerous concept, you will forever succumb to Charlestons and con-men.
My attitude, on the other hand, has kept me in good stead and made me a more aware and viable person.
Anyway, as I have already said, don't waste your precious posting allocation, to bag me, I grew up with much worse than you or your lot could EVER have the imagination to dream up.

If you truly are a mature man of some years,
ALTRAV,
I think he's just a High School kid or junior public servant whose swingers haven't even dropped yet !