ttbn, not quite sure what your beef is with o sung wu.
The ones I thought needed a 'touch up' are the likes of Paul and Foxy.
No real problem with Paul, he just created the post and that's fine.
Foxy, on the other hand seems like she has to be at the front of most posts, and her continual commenting comes across as someone trying to push their way through to get to the front of the line, for why?
I don't know.
Someone suggested ages ago, she suffers from the 'look at moi' syndrome which is symptomatic of someone who has to stick their nose in at every/any opportunity.
I wonder, have you ever noticed the amount of entries she has compared to others?
I have been forced to compete with her on that score as I have had to respond to her many pho-pars and bending of the facts so many times.
Ah well she's not going to be acknowledging me or my comments any more so it may get a little boring for me hence-forth, or is it here-after?

Hey ALTRAV,

"Unlike the moronic left, who have no social, or economic cred what-so-ever, do not have a clue, would just let everyone in because they 'felt sorry for them'.
Well too bad, if we did not manage the situation, you idiots, we would be feeling sorry for us and our own.
Stop and think for Gods sake, no one can be so stupid to the point of putting the whole country and millions of people at risk, over the concerns of a very small number, or hand full of people."

It may help to try not to think of the 'left' as a single unified ideological entity.
Try to split the left into 2 groups.
The 'useful idiots' who follow the movement and relate to and find a sense of identity within it out on the streets (the ones you referred to);
- and the others being those who direct the ideologies and agendas behind the movement.

I want to show you something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

If you take a good look at what is described in the above link, you'll see that where you and I might think some policy or strategy is complete madness;
- Well somebody else would think that policy and strategy is EXACTLY the way to move forward to implement their own particular agendas and the point I want to make is that sometimes that which makes no sense whatsoever to one person, can make perfect sense to someone else.

The above strategy is an example of Hegelian dialectic, which is a framework to guide our thoughts and actions to a predetermined solution.

1. The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others
2. The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights
3. The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis

Hegelian Dialectic is also often used is wars and foreign policy, with Step 1 incorporating the use of false flag attacks.

o sung wu,

Nothing I said referred to you mate. I'm very sorry if you think there was. You are one of the last people I would have a go at. ALTRAV seems to think I said something, too. I'll check my last post.

No. Just looked, and the only person I referred to was 'one of the usual suspects, i.e Paul, who started the thread. Feel free to point out what you weren't comfortable with, and what I might have missed.. You too, ALTRAV

Hi there FOXY, TTBN & ALTRAV...

All's well with my mate TTBN - Fact is, not so long ago I attacked TTBN quite unnecessarily as it turned out. I thought he took a particular position, to which I disagreed, and I went for the jugular as it were. The only problem was, I often misunderstood much of what he wrote, he's a very clever and intellectually sharp man, and consequently, I got my 'knickers in a knot' over it — a clear case of mea culpa.

Not only that - I see an obstacle, instead of finding a way around it with a degree of diplomacy, as many others do, I try to smash my way through it, and naturally, I come off worse for it?

Hi there FOXY...Indeed we've been colleagues & Internet friends for years now, and even though we've been at odds in some issues, I believe you're one of the most intelligent & gifted writers on the Forum in toto.

It's no wonder really; as you've worked as a Librarian in the United States for ten years or so, plus performing the same exacting tasks upon your return to Oz. Librarians must be well-educated, otherwise, however, could they provide the right advice and research to others?

You've always steadfastly remained, a true lady, an undeniable fact, even though some others have been downright rude to you. That said, I've always maintained a high level of respect for you FOXY, even though we may be diametrically opposed on some matters?

G'day there ALTRAV...You're one very well versed individual; Again you are like a few others on this Forum, very erudite, and intellectually shrewd. One who's capable of disassembling many of the opposition's arguments without attacking their character, and belittling them, like I once did.

I had to change my ways. Otherwise, nobody would respond to anything I wrote, which would cause me to question my motives, for remaining on the Forum? You sound like a very decent man, ALTRAV.

o sung wu, thank you for your kind words, BUT, in truth I am awkward with praise and you will find it so in past comments.
Also I do not deserve any kindness as some on OLO, especially Foxy will attest.
I too am guilty of the same sins you yourself have mentioned, and I too have 'toned it down a notch'.
I must keep my level of scrutinee but it is difficult to remain objective when there is so much unwillingness to consider the truth and so many have long term beliefs and been indoctrinated so many years ago, they resist change and keep to their closed mind beliefs.
That is why when I read comments that I agree with, I am quick to praise because of the surprise at finding a like minded soul on OLO, amidst all these brick walls.
That's not to say that there are not others I see eye to eye with, and I appreciate them,
Mind you I still have differences with everyone.
It depends on the topic.
But by and large, their a good bunch, and as I said earlier on, when looking for a forum, I settled on this one because it was so easy to get around.
Anyway enough, thanks again.

Another successful Refugee Week, where thinking Australians have come a little bit closer to understand the positives some refugees make to our community. However, judging by some of the comments from the way out brigade on here, not representative of the community at large, there is still much to be done before the Usual Suspects (ttbn get your own description) can come out of their dark corners and see the light.