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Israel Folau

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individual,

Too right!
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 6:01:29 PM
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Folau is to be sacked because the beliefs of his particular church and faith leads him to hold views about homosexuality that conflict with the left-progressive culture in which ‘diversity’ demands that we all think the same way about sexuality and gender.

The freedoms we took for granted as citizens of a liberal democracy — such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of conscience — are being stripped away by militant progressives who insist we all believe and behave in the same way.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:43:15 AM
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ttbn,
I don't disagree with your sentiment of militant progressives, but I think this outweighs them, if you allow it.

Let’s put something into perspective here: Folau isn’t just condemning homosexuals to hell if they don’t repent, he’s condemning atheists and idolaters, which in reality means every non-Christian. This is a great swathe of society being unfairly targeted with a, frankly, stupid and juvenile threat. Further, from the earliest days of Christianity violence and repression entailed the Christian zealotry of enforcing mosaic law, the same thing which inspires Folau. Hint: classical antiquity did not just all happily convert willy nilly. Behind today’s ‘warning’ of fire and brimstone is a history of destruction and murder. This is a largely forgotten history which is only just starting to re-enter academia.

Now none of you would – and rightly so – tolerate a Muslim ranting on about the desired conversion of infidels – a conversion that, if it is not enacted, will be met with subjugation or outright elimination. As far as I can see, a Muslim doing such a thing currently ranks higher on the scale of legitimate concern because of the existence of very real violence carried out by segments of Islam. However, we have to seriously ponder if an increased and heightened rhetoric from Christian fundamentalists is slowly marching towards a radicalised platform. Christianity is beyond doubt a waning influence in today’s Western world: will the remaining adherents adjust their behaviour accordingly as a ‘us and them’ worldview becomes more and more pronounced?

It seems like the more diverse society becomes in its myriad forms, the vaguer freedom of speech becomes as an acceptable arbiter when the line between innocent if obnoxious speech and desired intent mends the distance between its hitherto established boundaries
Posted by Ahenobarbus, Thursday, 18 April 2019 11:45:51 AM
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Ahenobarbus,

The issue is one of denying of freedom of speech - not what Folau said, which you might or might not agree with.

'Gay' politician, Tim Wilson, has today defended Folau's right to express himself as he did, although he obviously would not agree with the sentiments expressed. We should accept other people's opinions, which means not carrying on like cut snakes every time somebody expresses an opinion we don't like. But, that's what the Left is doing -they believe in 'diversity' unless it goes against their dogma.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 18 April 2019 1:38:27 PM
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We are of course entitled to our opinions in all
matter of things.

However when we sign contracts
and agree to the terms of those contracts and after
several warnings we still break those contracts,
and agreements -
we con't really object to having a breach issued
against us - and claim that our religious freedoms
are being impinged.

This is not about religious
beliefs. This is about the employee-employer
relationship and the values and contractual
arrangements within the agreement that we signed and
agreed to and then broke - which is the basis of
the breach notice.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 18 April 2019 1:53:34 PM
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'However, we have to seriously ponder if an increased and heightened rhetoric from Christian fundamentalists is slowly marching towards a radicalised platform'

I don't think you need to worry about the Christians Ahenobarbus as the marxist left have a total monopoly on violence, killing unborn babies, intolerance and rebellion. Groups like antifa and getup hide behiond masks and then virtue signal to veryone else. Bible believing Christians simply present the view of the God you seem to deny. They are no threat to you as I am sure you know. A 'radicalised' Christian will simply tell you the truth as Folau did.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 18 April 2019 2:01:59 PM
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