No, not trying to be a smarty, just trying to tell it as I see it
It will be the day super Conservatives confront the truth, even true Liberals do not support them
Confronting the seats lost, because Conservatives and one nation, took votes from the Nationals will hurt
Confronting the mathematics of politics, some draw only enough votes to be spoilers,will be in fashion
Why
Why the lurch away from the big tent with many views both the LNP and Labor must be to win?
If we will not talk about it now, we will talk about it then
See voters think for them selves and we ignore them at our peril

Belly,
I just hope that ignorant first-time voters & opportunistic fence-sitters don't take this nation out of the frying pan & throw it into the fire !

Individual, blame me, see I thought once you knew what you are talking about
How many first time voters do you think there are?
1 percent? 10 percent?,you write like the figure is 80 percent
Blame the voters will not work, both sides say and know the voters get it right
This forum is full of out of touch super conservatives unable to see the truth
Even verbally thrashing Julie Bishop, because she, like me, has a different opinion
Women live longer than men, you can bet they are a bit more than 50 percent of voters
Yet these pages reek of anti women super Conservate trash talking them
POLICY not voter insanity, will condemn this government
I offer individuals post as proof some will greatly assist Labor this time around

Belly for god sake get off the fixation with lefty politics.

Go plant some day lilies, or tune up that radio, any thing but lefty politics, it will addle your brain.

The day after the Federal Election will have sunrise, as usual, people will get up and go to work and life for most of us will continue as usual.

Ho hum!!

Hasbeen you can do better, and deep down you know I'm no lefty
ismise, not sure you can do better but holding out hope
There Are, and always have been, true Liberals on this site
They know, may not like it but know this government is its own worst enemy
In fact are giving government away, Labor is being gifted, by them
Polls, people constantly say they do not matter
Indy claims million or so new voters are the reason that day after for super conservatives will be bleak
Do the maths, introduce the Malaysian solution, put in place a clean energy target and stick to it
And Liberals could still win the election
Super Conservatives are pushing thier party over the cliff

Belly,
>It will be the day super Conservatives confront the truth, even true Liberals do not support them
I regard that as a remote possibility.

More likely they'll claim they didn't win because they weren't right wing enough, or they'll pin the blame on the "disloyalty" of the centrist members of their party.

Aiden more than likely true
I however look forward to the massacre after the defeat
As Liberal independents line up to take on sitting members, it is my vie that will continue
The danger to the ALPis a worldwide recession is in our future
And we will be blamed for it
Bet on it after the bloodbath a new stronger small l Liberal party will be born

Belly,
If there's a worldwide recession, the government of the day is still to blame for getting us caught in it. Recessions are avoidable, as the Rudd government showed during the GFC.

Whether the Liberal Party, or indeed any new party, will be stronger will depend largely on the stuffups of Labor.

Aidan,
Whichever Govt we get next doesn't have the luxury of a multi-billion Dollar Conservative created futures fund to squander like Rudd's Govt.

Aiden you will be aware under the present government our national debt is twice what it was the day they too over
And too indys statement while true,came about in the middle of a huge mining boom
Too that Howard wasted far more than he saved
In tax cuts such as franking credits [he introduced them]at a time they could be afforded,but that time has gone
The day after the election will be bleak for conservatives and much eyes wide open debate will take place

under the present government our national debt is twice what it was
Belly,
I'm not at all surprised. Considering that thousands of Labor open border policy faux refugees were added, massive natural disasters are also adding to the snow-balling legacy of Labor mismanagement over decades.
Your beloved party fired the starting gun to economic woe in this Nation & now you claim they're going to kiss it all better ?
Wake up, they'll drag us so far down we won't be able to get up again. Blaming the Coalition is warranted for the Coalition's mismanagement but blaming them for the atrocious Labour legacy is literally lying to the citizens of this Nation !

Belly, anyone who votes Labor regularly is a lefty.

Anyone who proclaims their extreme loyalty to Labor, no matter what stupidity they push is an extreme lefty.

I guess that in your lefty world, only those left of Khrushchev are considered left.

Of course the debt is higher. Even Abbot wasn't conservative enough or had enough guts to dump Gillard's revenge, the debt trap of Gonski, NDIS & a few other less headline problems she left, designed to cost us a fortune.

One thing you can be confident about is that when the conservatives lose the election they will not turn nasty, violent and tantrum throwing like the pussy head democrats did in America. They won't set out to put Shorten in prison even though he probably deserves to be a lot more than Trump. I doubt whether they will invent rapist to challenge Shorten's appointments.

Abbot wasn't conservative enough
Hasbeen,
Yep ! Being conservative means having common sense & sound logic. I thought Abbott had that, alas ! Shorten doesn't even know the meaning of the words nor do any Leftists.
Abbott let us down & I'm afraid Shorten will cause us irreparable economic & social mayhem !

Goodness me - what utter nonsense is being spouted
here. It sound like the football mentality - you
support your club no matter what. Some of you guys
need a reality check. Take a look at what's happening.
Even their own are leaving the party in droves.
They're out for number 1. Making sure that they get all
the benefits before things change. It's all about "me,
me, me" with these guys they don't give a stuff about
the country or what's good for the people. They're out for
themselves with whatever means possible. But the usual
outmoded tactics are no longer working for most of us -
the name-calling, the attempts at scare-mongering, "You're
a Lefty!" Gee that's scary - right? And "You're an idiot!"
which is scarier?

Come on Foxy, you're the one that lives in the football state.

Shorten wants to increase migration & refugee intake.

QED, that is the story. The man will do any harm to the nation & it's people to buy a few votes.

We have to make sure his cynical attempt to buy votes costs him a hell of a lot more than it gains him.

We might even restore some ethics into the once useful left, although they are so far down the "what ever it takes" mentality, I think they are beyond it.

HASBEEN! stay just as you are
Lost and uniformed that is
You could lend you title to your party, because of folk like you they are indeed Hasbeens
54/46 and your defense is voters are lefties!
Hughley funny if it WAS NOT SO SAD
The day after the election?
Why bother?
calling it now
Landslide to Labor
Massive recriminations in the LNP/Nationals
Then? rebuilding, no easy task but it will happen

rebuilding, no easy task but it will happen
Belly,
Spot On ! Rebuilding is always the first task for a Conservative Govt after a Labor Govt.
Would it not be wiser to just keep the Conservatives so we wouldn't have to perpetually rebuild ?
There are obviously a lot of hangers-on who benefit from Labor. The Labor Doctrine of "Stuff you jack, I'm alright" is still very much the slogan.

Weird things happening with my posts?
indy grab it, that straw floating past,it may be reality
missed you,
My early morning wander around the garden ends at the avery full of budgies
Next is OLO and you furnish the grins
reality, matters you know
now find the amount this country was in debt, on the day the LNP took over
Now find that amount today
you tell me what you make of it

Super Conservatives are pushing thier party over the cliff
Belly,
Yes, all those who put party politics before anything else are indeed useless bums. I much prefer proposing ideas to better this nation !
We need a National Service & public service salary cuts before anything else.

indy thanks, needed that, the morning grin that is
Politics is about mathematics, not hate not lost dreams any extreme, left or right can win even the raffle on election day
This time,and it has in the past been Labors problem,division has its hands around this governments throat
People such as you power that division
Big tent party
What does that mean? well it should be room for every opinion, on that party,s side of the fence
Climate change,a fear campaign about power prices,refugees divide the very government itself
And its voters
Ever Thought you, and I may be wrong?
That what voters think matters
You will,and this government will, after the election
The long march back to the voters will at first be painful,and for me fun
But they will come out the others side stronger and newer
Our country is not turning left, it blinker may say so,but it is leading what will be a world wide rejection of extremism from the right
Watch America Follow
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Bill Shorten PM will not bring the promise of Kevin Rudd, [over 70 percent loved him once] or Hawky [the same number loved him]
He will leave his mark, and the admiration of even some like you
Unlike some in America who think green socialism is the new way,he knows the center and left has other tasks
Oh he will enforce cleaner packaging and true recycling
He will be respected for that
Shorten may lead the world in the matter of refugees, boat arrivals
Any considered thought understands the Malaysian solution would have worked
And if you want to be honest Liberals knew that too, *but value the issue as a campaign tool* too much to end it
Shorten, the world, will end it, centrist and left parties know they must
So they take the heat and hate that generates extreme right governments out of play
So fill me with grins but find the answer to my question you have not yet done so, how much by percentage has our debt grown under this government

Belly,
how about some good prophecies for a change ?

Individual if I had that power not everything would be good
Unlike the ability to predict based on knowledge and understanding,future prediction, is if it exists, not under control of any one
Test me, remember my thoughts
Even research, read the non-Murdock press
See QLD nationals intent on war with the Liberals
Barnaby Joyce's impossible dream of leading his party again, never going to happen
10 days out from the NSW election 50/50 in yesterday's poll
51 Labor 49 Liberal last week
close but ALP to win a close race

Well we have stalled it happens, other subjects in mind but just one last time
Indy seemed to think my opinion was a forecast of things to come
Right now, like never before, the LNP must do its own considered thought/debate, about its future
And this election
Is it not plain that Queensland Nationals and Joyce are harming this government
Yes here in the forum anti climate changers have the numbers
Does it not matter 57 percent of voters say they are concerned
Will the 37 percent who agree with current government policy in this bring swing voters to, or against the LNP
An election needs winning, some policies at least need hiding, surely
That bleak day, for both the usualv suspects here and a badly beaten LNP will be bleak indeed

NSW yesterday,woke this slumbering thread, NSW,
Never going to be apart of the landslide against this government is it a turning point
Well it proves extremes will never win lower house seats
Only hamper the LNP
Warns Labor not to make mistakes
Tells the Nationals they are out of touch with the most important people, their voters
MARCH? we live in interesting times but the day after the election is rough ground for a splintered LNP still