The latest lurk to get into Australia is revealed in a report that Punjab police are investigating a brother-sister duo, believed to be currently living in Australia, who are accused of forgery and marrying each other in order to get Australian visas. The pair stole their cousin's identify and forged documents to gain an Australian spouse visa. The male already had permanent residence in Australia.

Yet, The Department of Home Affairs still claims that all identity documents of spouse visa applicants are thoroughly checked and verified with relevant authorities of the issuing country, where required!

Mass immigration, and we don't have a competent department to deal with it. The only solution is to freeze all immigration and clean up the mess before returning to a sensible policy of needs-only immigration.

Under the present immigration policies it is nigh impossible for decent people to get a Visa.

sits well with regressive morals. They have no compass. Secularism and Islam are cousins. They are both death cults.

runner,

How do you know that the couple referred to are not Christians desperate to get family members out of a dangerous country?

Is Mise

Don't you think that anyone pulling such a stunt would be of dubious character, and not really the sort of people wanted?

58% of Punjabis are Sikhs; 40% are Hindus, which leaves 2% spread between Muslims, Christians and Jain's. You talk about India a lot, Is Mise: never heard you referring to it as a dangerous country. Some people are bad eggs, not the refugees people think they are.

If this pair were honest asylum seekers, they would not need to commit fraud - but they did.

An investigation revealed that the brother, already a permanent resident of Australia, had documents forged to give his sister a different identity. They got a marriage certificate from a gurdwara (worship place for Sikhs) in 2012 that was subsequently registered at the sub-registrar’s office in the Indian state of Punjab.

New Delhi (Sputnik): Punjab Police are investigating a visa-related scam in which a brother-sister duo has allegedly forged identity documents in order that they may get hold of an Australian visa as a married couple. They are supposedly living in Australia right now.

The matter came to light when their female cousin, in whose name the documents of the sister was forged, registered a report with the police accusing the duo of forging a bank account, a passport and other identity documents using her name to get an Australian spouse visa. Jai Singh, an inspector with the Punjab Police, confirmed the developments to Sputnik.

The Australian High Commission in India came out with a warning against fake marriage scams in November. The country also refused many spouse visa applications when they were found to be linked to a fake marriage syndicate.

"The complainant is closely related to the accused family and used to live with them when they forged her identity documents. Our preliminary investigation has been able to establish most of the facts", says a media report, citing Inspector Jai Singh. Expressing shock, he said, "We all have heard of fake marriages taking place for going migrating overseas, even among close relatives, but this happening with a brother-sister was unheard of".

The Australian Department of Home Affairs said that spouse visa applications go through due diligent scrutiny and, where required, all identity documents are verified with authorities from the issuing country. "But the department has no control over genuine passports issued by the foreign government which may have been issued based on fraudulent documents", it said while speaking to an Australian media outlet.

Link not included it wanted to send you a message.

More articles
http://www.conservatives.org.au/visa_sister_marriage_racket_exposed

http://punjabikhurki.com/australian-visa-indian-brother-sister-marry/

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/international/india/brother-sister-marry-each-other-to-get-australia-visa-1-

You are a joke ttbn, any excuse you can find.

"Want To Get Into Australia? Just Marry Your Sibling" that if true is a criminal act.

What does ttbn say; "The only solution ( to this problem of one) is to freeze all immigration and clean up the mess before returning to a sensible policy of needs-only immigration."

Highly likely after ttbn seen Punjub, his razor sharp mind went like this;

Punjub = turban head = Muslim... lets chuck this up on OLO for some good old fashioned Mussy bashing.

Issy, me thinks you shocked the ignorant.

The latest lurk, and it always has been by far the biggest lurk, to get into Australia is to jump on a plane with a tourist visa and never go home. Tell us ttbn, what is Corny Banana's solution to that one, the over stayers, stop all tourists, stop all planes coming into Australia.

Paul1405
Quote "You are a joke ttbn, any excuse you can find."

ALSO Quote
"Highly likely after ttbn seen Punjub, his razor sharp mind went like this;

Punjub = turban head = Muslim... lets chuck this up on OLO for some good old fashioned Mussy bashing."

Like usual, now rather than discuss the topic you try to imply racism but you are the only one who wrote this "Punjub = turban head = Muslim... lets chuck this up on OLO for some good old fashioned Mussy bashing."

** Go back and read what ttbn wrote, not one bit of racism YOU are the biased person who reads racism into everyones comment you don't agree with. **

Again you set yourself in a position higher than the moderator by implying this thread should not have been allowed.

I dare you to test out your concept, hit the little red cross and complain about the thread, you won't do that because like all the other times you have not agreed with a thread you have NO grounds to have them removed just your biased opinion.

Your comment to Is Mise is a weak attempt to get them to support you in your attack on the author.

Look in the mirror then and only then will you see the joke

ttbn,

Sorry about that, I hastily read it as Pakistan; the Punjab is a safe region even though it borders Pakistan, and I was last there in 2017.
In fact, in Amritsar I never felt safer in my life, surrounded as I was by armed Sikhs; a visit to the Golden Temple is a must and I've now been there four times, always fascinating.

Amritsar also has the Jallianwala Bagh where Gurka troops under the immediate command of British Officers massacred hundreds of unarmed and peacefully assembled Indians, that too is a place that I've also visited more than once.

I still wonder though how runner knew so much about them.

Is Mise,

General Dyer.

'How do you know that the couple referred to are not Christians desperate to get family members out of a dangerous country?'

Is Mise

I don't know that Is Mise but this is a common practice with adherents of Islam. Marrying cousins etc is common practice. If you travel to Pakistan as you claim to then you would know this.

Philip,

Paul is out of control. I don't take any notice of him. It's difficult to believe that any sane person could make such as spectacle of himself. Quite pitiful, but there it is.

As I said Phil, criminal activity needs to be delt with as it rightly should be. If sham marriage is used to circumvent Australian immigration laws then the authorities need to act accordingly. A single well publicised instance does not call for a wholesale suspension of immigration. The ttbn call of "The only solution is to freeze all immigration and clean up the mess before returning to a sensible policy of needs-only immigration." That is an over the top, over reaction, trying to use an isolated instance to justify a draconian measure you favour.

What about an answer to the real problem of illegal immigration, the over 64,000 over stayers who arrived by plane and never left. Far more of a problem that sham marriages.

http://www.smh.com.au/public-service/more-than-64000-people-overstaying-visas-in-australia-20170718-gxddpj.html

This is the serious issue for the likes of Corny Banana and his Conservative Party, but no its not even canvased. Much rather something that will get the blood boiling in the bigots, haters and red necks. Phil is your blood boiling over this one.

BTW, where did I imply this thread should not have been allowed. I see the thread for what it is. If Muslim bashing threads, of which I do not have a problem, were not allowed, half of what you start would not get to see the light of day. I take all threads as they come, yours included. In all my years on OLO I can only recall having one discussion knocked back, and that was within the last year, and it concerned a certain member of the Catholic clergy.

Paul1405 Not a very good retort, you totally ignore your racism.

Quote "Phil is your blood boiling over this one. " No it doesn't, if it did you would not receive a reply because for that to happen the person would be dead.

Quote "BTW, where did I imply this thread should not have been allowed." Your sheer arrogance at attacking the author, or in my case the source of a article by implication you do not think the article should be here.

Get it through your head any article no matter where it is from or who puts it on here is allowed if approved by the moderator.

runner,

"I don't know that Is Mise but this is a common practice with adherents of Islam. Marrying cousins etc is common practice. If you travel to Pakistan as you claim to then you would know this."

Marrying cousins and other close kin is common practice in India among Hindus, Muslims and Christians and the reason is not a lack of suitable potential partners within one's own group but rather to keep the wealth within the family and because of large families being spread over a number of years uncles marry nieces and aunts and vice versa.
My wife is still frowned upon by some members of her extended family because she refused to consider their sons as marriage partners.

I never claimed to have travelled to Pakistan, in fact, in that benighted country I am persona non grata.

“Punjub = turban head = Muslim... lets chuck this up on OLO for some good old fashioned Mussy bashing”.

That's just one example of Paul's ignorant mania. There are very few Muslims in the Punjab (not ‘Punjub’) .

Sikhs wear turbans, not Muslims.

I referred to Muslims only as a very small minority, along Christians and Jain's living in the Punjab. I did not mentioned the religion of the two subjects of this thread. They are Indians and visa rorters. Their religion, if they have one, is totally irrelevant.

Anyone calling my thread “Mussy bashing” is simply a stupid idiot, seething with hatred.

And just to clear up something else for some posters, 'siblings' are brothers and sisters; people sharing the same parents. They are NOT cousins. The brother and sister, siblings, stole their cousin's ID. She is not a sibling of theirs. I again must refer to the low reading age of many Australians and their poor understanding of their own language.

I gather that there are fake marriage syndicates
in India but that this particular fake marriage
case - is not common because it deals with a brother and
a sister. I'm not sure what our government can do
about documents being presented in visa applications
that later turn out to be fraudulent. These people
should of course be deported once caught. We are
fortunate that the Indian government alerted us and are
pursuing this case. I wonder how many fake marriages
we have in this country? I imagine that on closer
examination - there would be quite a few - and from
various countries, not just India. As I recently found out
there are scammers everyone.

cont'd ...

Here's a link to this particular case:

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/dari/en/2019/01/31/indian-brother-sister-accused-marrying-each-other-australian-visa

Apparently this scam took place in 2012.

ttbn - He is a liar.
On one occasion I wrote.
"go into a Government office and ask for a FOI request on the number of refugees still on welfare after being here for years, any money bet you will never get it." **

Paul1405 Claimed I said this. Quote
"I like your FOI application, "How many turban heads are on the dole, I demand to know!" and what you were told to do "piss off you wombat"!"

He blatantly finds racism in statements that have no racism in them.

Basically we have a liar with ZERO credibility.

cont'd ...

My apologies. I did not give you the full link. Here it is again:

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/dari/en/2019/01/31/indian-brother-sister-accused-marrying-each-other-australian visa

Philip S.,

Who's a liar with zero credibility?

Foxy - Quote "Who's a liar with zero credibility?"
Ignorance does not become you.

ttbn - He is a liar. (( Means it is not female so counts you out ))
On one occasion I wrote.
"go into a Government office and ask for a FOI request on the number of refugees still on welfare after being here for years, any money bet you will never get it." **

Paul1405 Claimed I said this. Quote

** If you can't work out who I mean there is no hope for you, I stated who.** If you want to act ignorant okay by me **

ttbn,

Dyer was in command but he was not the only officer present. Nor were the Gurkhas the only troops, but it is claimed that many of the other Indian Army soldiers did not fire into the crowd but over their heads.

runner,

I forgot that strictly speaking, I have been to Pakistan, in fact, I was in Bangladesh for a short period whilst it was still part of Pakistan but I've never been to Pakistan proper.

Philip S.,

Please explain.

I still don't understand what the problem is.

Foxy Quote "Please explain.
I still don't understand what the problem is."

I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you when you can read for yourself.

First hit the ( all ) icon.
Then read what ttbn has written.
Don't read my first comment (it is only direct from an article).
After that read comments ttbn, Paul1405 and mine.

If you still don't understand come back with specific questions.

Is Mise,

Dyer was responsible for the atrocity, and atrocity it was, against peaceful protesters. How he was allowed to retire with no consequences, even in that era, is beyond me.

Philip,

I honestly don't know whether Paul is a liar or completely insane. His rants are out of all proportion to the opinions posted by anyone he disagrees with. I can imagine him screeching and foaming at the mouth as he belts out his unreasonable and totally disjointed ‘responses’ - everyone is a 'racist’, a 'homophobe’, an ‘Islamophobe’, a 'misogynist’, a Nazi’, even when the people he vilifies have not said a word about race, homosexuality, Islam, women or politics. Any subject anyone mentions cops a barrage of his favourite abuse words if he disagrees with them.

I don't want to say another word to him or about him. He turns my stomach. I wonder how many people that we don't know about are deterred by him from from expressing opinions on OLO.

ttbn, //I referred to Muslims only as a very small minority, along Christians and Jain's living in the Punjab. I did not mentioned the religion of the two subjects of this thread.//

You only looked that up after Is Mise had alerted you to the fact in a comment to runner //How do you know that the couple referred to are not Christians// Its my bet that in your ignorance you thought the Punjab was full of Muslims, so its likely this pair would be Muslim, maybe they are. runner thinks the Punjab is in Pakistan which is full of Muslims.

You seem to be rather fragile, my little petal. I only call the likes of you out, for what you are. There are many hateful comments posted on the forum aimed at homosexuals, women, Muslims, refugees, liberals etc, some made by you. I don't see you calling out those that make such hateful remarks.

It's now become clear as to why all the fuss.
Thanks Paul for explaining.
I now understand.

Paul,
You said "What about an answer to the real problem of illegal immigration, the over 64,000 over stayers who arrived by plane and never left. Far more of a problem that sham marriages".

This issue came up regularly in the debate on boat illegals. It is a long time since I looked at the issue of over stayers, however as I recall the vast majority only overstay a short period and continue spending their own money enjoying our hospitality. They are late by some days or weeks and leave to be replaced by others who overstay to enjoy our sights, so the figure is roughly static. Paul's crowd like to imply that the whole 64000 stay permanently and it is an annual figure. So much for his honesty! Paul is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and no one is concerned.

It is more concerning the number that lie and cheat to obtain permanent resident visas and who rort the family reunion provisions

I don't see you calling out those that make such hateful remarks.
Paul1405,
You're the most called-out on inciting hate speech on this forum so, what are you on about ?

Foxy,

Can you explain for the rest of us what “has become clear” to you? What was it that you didn't understand?

HenryL,

The 'plane arrival overstayers' is the standard 'shut up' comment from people comfortable with open borders. You comments are correct. And, people overstaying their visas are regularly hunted down and deported. Unlike illegal entrants posing as asylum seekers, they have no 'rights' at all, and are mostly sent home within a day or two of their discovery by immigration officers. Something like 100,000 per year, I believe, a few more than 64,000, which seems to be the standard figure used by the chaterati.

Notice Paul1405 was called out for being the racist person not the person he accused, instead of answer that he tries to deflect the discussion to something else.

Foxy
If your understanding comes from what Paul1405 wrote above your comment then you only have his interpretation of events rather than the facts which you could have read for yourself if you took my suggestion and read the thread for yourself.

You to believe Paul1405 indicates you are easily manipulated by him, wake up and work things out for yourself rather be led like a little lamb.

FACTS
ttbn 1st 3 paragraphs 1st x 2 = the article, 3rd is his comment = NO racism.

Paul1405 brings that in by saying - Quote "Highly likely after ttbn seen Punjub, his razor sharp mind went like this;

Punjub = turban head = Muslim... lets chuck this up on OLO for some good old fashioned Mussy bashing."

Also he tried to get support from Is Mise, Quote "Issy, me thinks you shocked the ignorant."

That backfired because Is Mise, ( read the comment yourself )

Further I posted the same type of tactic Paul1405 used against me.

On one occasion I wrote.
"go into a Government office and ask for a FOI request on the number of refugees still on welfare after being here for years, any money bet you will never get it." **

Paul1405 Claimed I said this. Quote
"I like your FOI application, "How many turban heads are on the dole, I demand to know!" and what you were told to do "piss off you wombat"!"

He blatantly finds racism in statements that have no racism in them.

Someone opinions don't stand up against the facts.

Gentlemen,

It seems to me that all you're wanting is
an argument. I'm not interested. You can argue
with yourselves.

Philip,

Foxy is “not interested” because she cannot answer the question. Her “understanding” was just paying homage to her crony, Paul. I have never understood why she kowtows to him and that other nasty pasty, SteeleRedux. I have always thought that she was more intelligent, aware and reasonable than the Sneerers. Looks like I'm wrong again. Ah well, I never did understand women.

Foxy - Interesting what one can learn by looking at how a person addresses others. Lamb for dinner tonight.

Dear Paul,
cont'd ... Dear Paul,
Individual, On the contrary
ALTRAV, Read what I actually
Individual, I see that you're
ttbn, There are so many
ALTRAV, Stop acting
Philip S., Please explain.
ALTRAV, Before you preach
mhaze, Thank You for
Is Mise, Your comparison
ttbn, Ask runner
runner, Trump will
ttbn, I was merely
Is Mise, And curtains
ttbn, The point being
RObert, The two convicted
runner, The far-right
Is Mise, The President
Dear Bazz, Thanks for
Dear Belly, We need
Dear Belly, Of
Is Mise, The following
Hi Philip S., ALTRAV
Hi Philip S., My IT
Bazz and Jayb., Thank you
Hi Bazz, They got me to
Hi mhaze, David Cameron
mhaze, Thank You - much
Dear Paul, I don't like
Jayb., We'll see what
runner, Blame it on
Hi Jayb., Well you
runner, I'm not
Hi ttbn, We do
Hi Paul, We've
Hi Indy, You're
Hi Paul, Our
Dear Belly,
Dear Belly, I'm
Hi ttbn, I fell
Dear Belly, Now back
CM, Would you answer
CM, We often make
CM, So now it's
ttbn, Thanks for
Dear Belly, It's
Canem Malum and Philip S., Thank You
Josephus, I can see no point
Armchair Critic, I apologise
Dear Paul, Tazi sounds l
Dear Paul, Happy
HenryL., You seem to
Dear David F., You
Dear David F., Regarding war crimes

Philip S.,

I've known some of the posters on this forum for
decades - people who have been supporters of me during
some of the most difficult times in my life - from
my battles with bowel cancer to my experience with
severe depression,
to the loss of beloved family members - to dealing with
a mother and her dementia.

Lamb for dinner tonight? Your choice - I'd recommend
pork for you.

Lamb for dinner tonight? Your choice - I'd recommend pork for you.

Don't mind if I do, both are good.

Dear ...but you'll be stabbed in the back anyway !

Philip S.,

Many people don't have an appetite for pork.
After all pigs do wallow in mud and if
nothing else is available they'll wallow in
their own urine - giving rise to the notion
that they are dirty animals.

But still, for some today's pig is tomorrows
bacon.

Foxy,

"Many people don't have an appetite for pork"

Count me among them, I hate the stuff.
Never did like it but when a mate and I were upon the top of a mountain manning a relay radio station and couldn't be relieved and were out of tucker a chopper flew over and dropped us some tinned stuff; turned out to be pommy bacon (90% fat).
We couldn't light a fire, (security and no wood anyway), so we had to eat it cold, put me off it forever except for a few times in Ireland where the sugar cured bacon was 90% meat.

I do like Audi's small bottled pork sausages though.

Is Mise,

I also like the pork sausages from Coles.
The apple and cider ones. Yum!

Foxy children also like wallow in mud if available.

Quote "if nothing else is available" Interesting people could and have become cannibals, it is amazing what people or animals will do to survive, "if nothing else is available"

What would you do?

individual, Quote "Dear ...but you'll be stabbed in the back anyway !"

** Just out of interest who is going to do the backstabbing and who is going to get stabbed in the back? **

What goes around comes around.

PhilipS,
The hypocrites in the Left!

Or someone suggesting someone is a liar on another thread.

Poor old Philly-Poo feels unloved, goes to the ridiculous extent of TROLLING through Foxy's 'User Details' to see how she addresses other posters. All in an attempt to shame her somehow, can't see the connection there Philly-Poo. BTW how long did that pointless exercise of copy and paste take you.

Foxy, your justifying follow up post was unnecessary in my view. A simple "Sit on it you Big A-Hole!" was all that was needed.

Dear Paul,

It probably was unnecessary. I can't really judge.
However - life is 10% what happens to you and 90%
how you react to it. I usually try focusing
on the positive and not getting so worked up
about things.

As someone said on a TV show recently - "No one's
ever gone to their grave saying they laughed too
much."

So perhaps it's a good idea in lightening up,
enjoying life, laughing more,

Foxy,

"However - life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it."

Or as some lay-about English bloke said...

"Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans."

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_lennon_137162

Paul1405 Liar I wonder If you are this childish when you are not behind a keyboard, I pity anyone seen in public with you what an embarrassment.

Quote "Foxy's 'User Details' to see how she addresses other posters. All in an attempt to shame her somehow," Your powers of perception fail you it was to show bias, strike two for you.

When a person addresses people differently for whatever reason, the people receiving the more endearing titles are usually favored more so than the others. This can lead to being more easily manipulated in some cases not necessarily this one. But it in this case shows definite signs of bias to some. ( I left this out of my original comment, wasn't needed but some idiot with a false analyses means it is now required.)

True to form you then display your method for dealing with comments that are unpalatable you say "Sit on it you Big A-Hole!" what a delight you must be in public.

** It also has to be noted you have runaway from answering for your racist remarks, YOU are the only one on here spewing out racist comments. **

Maybe you should take the advise of Foxy Quote "So perhaps it's a good idea in lightening up, enjoying life, laughing more,"

Philly-Poo, strange what sets your mind a wondering. Ever stranger is you pity these people unknown to you. I never wonder about you at all, don't lose any sleep over it, not that I would care if you did. What do you want, want to be loved, want to be seen as right, what do you want? Sadly by attempting to isolate me, you might hope others will love you, they will find you right, good for you. Would that be some comfort to you, let hope it is. All this repetitious posting, you've gone to the extreme of posting the same thing over and over, ten times or more, calling me a liar, this and that, gee you are either petulant or extremely sensitive. if you have posted lies about me, I can't remember, and don't much care.
Want to give me advice, I'll give you advice, get a life.

mhaze,

Thanks for the quote.

Paul1405 Liar - Congratulations 151 words of meaningless dribble, amounting to nothing of any substance.

Again you still refuse to take ownership of your racist remarks, as per usual.

Quote "over and over, ten times or more, calling me a liar"

** That is because you have lied and I will continue to point out that fact. **

The last thing I would do is take advise from a liar with zero credibility.

Phil, sorry, got to be nice to Philly-Poo, He's very sensitive to these things.

Dearest Philly-Poo,

I think that is 152 words not 151, can you please do a recount. Did I not see you at the supermarket the other day? Were you not the bloke sitting on the floor with an open box of 'Fruity Pops' going "17125, 17126 and finally 17127!.....RIP OFF there's a Fruity Pop MISSING!" You forgot to count yourself, there's the other Fruity Pop. Probably you don't remember me, to preoccupied counting Fruity Pop's, but I was the guy who yelled out, "Stop counting the Fruity Pops you A-HOLE!"

Its a laugh a minute.

Paul1405 Liar - You and your new besty Belly, should be able to come back with a better reply than that, come on. Childish to the letter.

Also quote "Stop counting the Fruity Pops you A-HOLE!" resorting to profanity, that is the sign of a looser.

The Indians seem to have a tricky culture- Is Mise's wife not included I'm sure.

Canem Malem,

No, but a lot of her extended family do at least as judged by the Christian standards that they allegedly adhere to.