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Rejecting eternal life? Let’s not kid ourselves. You will die. I will die. Whether we want to or not or whether we believe we will live on, death is our ultimate end. In time neither of us will exist. That is the fate of all organisms except certain microorganisms which will split producing two organisms. People are afraid of death so they choose to believe nonsense for which there is no evidence. There is no evidence for life after death.

As for the godless whether or not one believes in a god there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of a god.

"Nobody has ever died of a redemption deficiency".
Suicide believers ( peace be upon them, amen) aren't redeeming the target customers who are booked into hell. Sending them off with a bang will redeem the true bomber but only if he dies . Jail time is not martyrdom and is a waste of explosive and damages hearing. But it's OK if it stops the alcohol even a small extent , the pilgrim may be one small step above hell , one great leap for a kind man.

Of course , Zeus and Jupiter zapped them with thunderbolts. Bunjil in Victoria also used a thunderbolt , a "dyte" star , which is the same as Indonesian dyuta , Sanskrit dyuti , dios , Zeus.

Whoa! Nick. That must be 8l00dy good stuff. Care to share it around, Maaaate

"The name "Warrandyte" Melbourne could be translated as "that which is thrown". The Wurundji dreamtime : Bunjil, the great eagle, creator of the world, had once gazed down upon his people from the Star Altair and seen their wrongdoing.. with a mighty crash of thunder, he hurled down a star to destroy them. Where the star struck was created the gorge we see today. Bunjil's people called it Warrandyte, the place where Bunjil had hurled down the Star to punish his people." dyte : star.
Source: Warrandyte Diary

Alluvial gold, discovered in the gullies in July 1851, was almost depleted by the end of that year.Probably the nuggets had been seen as remains of the star.

To Belly.

The conversation has gone to some lengths to point out people who hate, their actions, or to defend some of those people (like Trump) against the accusations.

But here is a question for you. What do you think can be done about it? I've given my thoughts on what we can all do, and it's been debated without really offering an alternate solution. Do you have thoughts on an alternate solution?

Would it be some kind of government social program endorsed and paid by tax payers? Or would it be something regularly presented on TV networks to remind people to not hate? Or something bigger. Something that has actual authority in the international community that isn't prone to corruption. (You mentioned the UN before).

Think about it if you will. And if it's possible consider both whether it's a practical solution and if it has something to prevent worse conditions if a minipulative leader takes the reigns.

To Nick.

You've made a fair point. I'm not God, nor Jesus. They are the ones who redeem and save. However I think we should do our part. To redeem people to God, and to redeem people from their suffering. After all at the end of 3 of the gospels (Mathew, Mark, and Luke), there is a last command from Jesus to the disciples to go and spread the good news of the Kingdom of Heaven throughout the world. That great commission sounds like for us to do our part in redeeming the world so that people can know to come to God.

In Mathew 25:31-46, Jesus tells of what will happen when He returns. He'll gather the nation's and divide the people into 2 groups. Those who fed the hungry and thirsty, showed hospitality to the stranger, gave clothing to the naked, and visited those sick and in prison. The other group were those who did none of these things. The lesson in this is that Jesus welcomed those who did these things into the Kingdom of Heaven, and those that didn't see after the needs of those around them were cast off into the darkness. With this in mind it sounds like we should try to redeem the world from the suffering and hardships that occurs in people's lives. Help them and offer what we can when we have the opportunity.

With this in mind, I'm not the one who saves and redeems others. That's God. However we should all do our part to help redeem the world. Whenever, wherever we have the opportunity . The list of needs of the world is larger then this one. Elsewhere there are also verses to say comfort those who morn, be generous to those in poverty, even to give when asked without concern for ourselves, as well as to look after the widow, the orphan, and the oppressed. So with any opportunity to help the world we should take it. Even when someone does wrong, try to correct them for their own benifit, to redeem them even in that situation.