Hiding behind God any God and targeting others is a symptom of failure.
Hate is a symptom of human failure
If only both sides could sit down and try to resolve issues.
Just think, if the UN was really about united nations, no one had the power to stall any effort to resolve issues
that they could sit until answers to problems rather than war was the out come

Your post David f sums up the difference in our world views. You say 'U try not to be bad guy' and I believe you. You are probably an outstansing citizen for all I know. You though, obviously think that through 'rational' thought you can discern good and evil. In some cultures like Maori and some of our own Indigeneous culture cannibalism was considered ok or moral. You replace what we consider past immoral behaviour whether by religous people or non religous people with 'rationale'. You do however have to be totally blind not to see the perfect moral character of Jesus Christ. All others fail miserably especially the godless socialist. Sad to say but man in his arrogance and rational has absolutely no hope of matching the morality, wisdom or power of Jesus Christ. You are living a very vain dream and rejecting eternal life as you will certainly die in your sins unless you turn to the Only One who can forgive them.

//Everyone needs redeeming.//

No they don't. People need things like oxygen, water, food, shelter... stuff like that. Nobody has ever died of a redemption deficiency. Not once, in all of human history.

Although in the torture chambers of the Inquistion, on the pyres and gallows of witch-hunters, during various pogroms and crusades, there have been plenty deaths whose cause can be directly attributed to 'over-zealous redemption'.

And yes, I know you guys have mostly stopped doing that sort of thing these days, but I did read a particularly horrific article the other day in which a victim of gay 'conversion therapy' spoke about the abuse she suffered, including having electric shocks applied to her genitalia, for the heinous sin of being attracted to other women. So apparently you guys aren't completely done with cruel & unusual punishment when it comes to redeeming people.

God save us from Christian redemption.

//if you or I were not so wicked//

Nah, you can't possibly be wicked, runner. For does not Jesus teach us that it is only he that is without sin that may throw stones, which you spend most of your time doing. Therefore, you must be without sin. QED.

Dear runner,

I am not blind. The story of Jesus was written in the New Testament years after his death. I have no reason to believe it is accurate. However in the account of his life in that document it shows him being both foolish and intolerant.

Mark 11:12 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.

I think both you and I would have better sense than to curse a tree for not bearing fruit out of season.

In another part of the New Testament it quotes Jesus:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The above shows great intolerance. It doesn’t matter how good a life you have lived. It doesn’t matter how decent you are. You only come to the father through his doorkeeper, Jesus.

I think both you and I are more tolerant than Jesus.

A man who could be both stupid and intolerant is not perfect, and the New Testament shows him as stupid and intolerant.

Admittedly it is sometimes difficult to tell the difference between good and evil. People in the southern United States fought a great war in the belief that slavery was good because it was accepted in the Bible. The Bible was a justification for accepting what most think of as evil. I can be wrong in choosing between good and evil, but I trust my reason more than your superstition.

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'Although in the torture chambers of the Inquistion, on the pyres and gallows of witch-hunters, during various pogroms and crusades, there have been plenty deaths whose cause can be directly attributed to 'over-zealous redemption'. '

yeah kinda like abortion today Toni. At least you acknowledge we have a moral conscience however warped it might be to justify such barbarity.