Unfortunately the site has the grumpy old men of the right who even pillory LIBERALS for expressing the view they have been let down.
Another option exists, if true Liberals, by moving on policy,s the right will not support give birth to the small l Liberal party
They, the right, may leave to form another small, going no place, party.
One thing is true, indys rant on why his mob lost, is both totally wrong and enjoyable.

P1405: tapped into a sentiment in the Australian people, to talk about the issues that are important to them, not the issues about survival for a particular political party,”

Strange, you have condemned Pauline for exactly the same thing but I suppose it depends on a Greenie outlook. Ay.

P1405: a return of decency, integrity and humanity to the Australian government,”

In a haughty, Gay, Green manner though. Ay.

Foxy: Did you know that there are many gays in the military, the Australian Defence Force.

Yes, you are right. In the 60's most Gays were in the Officer Corp. Soldiers got kicked out quick smart if the bothered anyone.

Foxy: Fewer people live their lives in accordance with these religious teachings.

I disagree with you there Foxy. Just because a person is not Religious does not mean they don't live their lives in a decent, respectful manner. After all, our laws are based on Old Religious beliefs which are just common decency anyway, regardless as to what religion they belong too, or not. Except for some extreme ME religions.

P1405: national service, its neither national or service. It is a state granted license to kill, the last time we had conscription in Australia young men were sent off to murder innocent men, women and children in Vietnam.

Yes they had a ballot & not everyone was a National Service man. If a National Serviceman told his CO that he didn't want to go. He didn't. You didn't know that did you. & No, We weren't sent over to kill women & children we were actually sent to stop that. We didn't & when the North took over they had a great purge of the Civilian Population & killed almost as many as died by their hands during the War. As they did in the North after Dien Ben Phu. Almost 3 million Civilians massacred there I believe in 1954/60. Can you explain that please.

Belly: the small l Liberal party

By small l Liberal Party, do you mean a left Wing Liberal Party?

Please explain?

Belly,
For once, it's not about Right or Left, it's about right or wrong !

Indy, the official number of civilians killed during the Vietnam War stands at 2 million from North and South. If you want to be one of histories revisionists and claim Australia was there for some noble uplifting cause then go right ahead. I believe we were there as a flunky of the United States, who used Vietnam to fight a phoney proxy war against Communism in the interest of Capitalism.

If you are looking for some sort of apology from me you're not going to get it.

Jayb.,

When I stated that fewer people live their lives in
accordance with religious teachings - of course I
did not mean that those who didn't -
did not live decent lives.
Actually the opposite meaning was inferred - because
people's beliefs are changing and no longer
automatically defer to traditional religions or
religious positions. You don't need religion to be a
decent human being. There are many so called religious
people who as we know are anything but decent.

Anyway, what I was talking about was the fact that -

Australians are starting to adjust and change their
laws to try and
accommodate that variety of voices that exist today and
often what that means is religion is being taken more and
more out of the laws because they no longer represent the
majority.

A recent nationwide Fairfax Ispos poll found 74% of
Australians oppose laws allowing religious schools to
discriminate against students or teachers on the grounds of
sexuality, gender identity or relationship status.

Will our government listen to the electorate. Only time
will tell.