Jayb a student of politics would not need to ask however here it is
Right now there exists an internal war in the Liberal party.
From its inception it has had both the foundations Liberalism, not left in any way and a right faction.
And the right, growing, as they [the right] moved the party to the right, small l Liberals still exist, within the party.
It has been said, by that faction, see John Hewson ABC this morning.
It is his, and my opinion the voters rejected a party that moved away from them.
You mention one nation, cut the nonsense! Pauline's party has had more refugees than it has members, her chance of ever being other than a very small and lost bump in the road are zero.
So small l Liberals are not invaders, in fact they once had control of the party and will again.
They will be no push over once that takes place

Paul1405,
How many of those two million civilians were killed by australians & how many of those who came to Australia do you think want to go back ?

Belly, do you think that those on the Right of Politics are all extremists.

Or, do you think that those on the Right of Politics are mostly well meaning people who views & ideals are not aligned with the Lefts Socialists ideals.

I would call myself a Centrist, but you might call me a Rightist, because my ideals are not aligned towards Socialism.

I have been called a Baby killer only a couple of Posts back. That was by someone who has no idea what he was talking about. Yes I have read the Pamphlet called "Australian Atrocities in Vietnam." produced in 1966 Originally it was in a hard cover book in the Red & Black Bookshop in Elizabeth Street in Brisbane. One of the photos shows a White phosphorus grenade going off & three children under the Phosphorus streaks. Actually I'm in the original photo. I told the photographer to take the Photo. The Original doesn't have any children in it. In fact there were no people in the VC Village in the Bush. at that time. I have the original. The second Photo shows a brusk Sgt. screwing the arm of a screaming child. What it doesn't show is the child's other arm. The child was getting an Immunization Needle, hence the screaming. I was standing on the left just out of the photo when it was taken in Ong Hourn on the banks of the Song Dong Nai. The Village our Company looked after. I would consider myself a baby saver, knowing what I know from personal experience. Brainwashed Ar53#0l3.

Indy if its one its one too many. //how many of those who came to Australia do you think want to go back?//

And what relevance does that silly question have. Do you justify the killing of some, by letting others into your country. The Vietnamese who migrated to Australia were mostly enemy collaborators. People who had worked for the Yanks, or were traitors to the Vietnamese people through service to the illegitimate puppet government of South Vietnam. But if you have a revised history then believe it by all means.

Jayb you will find this hard to believe but I am a cenerist with a slight slant towards helping those who can not help themselves.
Not however those who will not help themselves.
Read, research Australian,s longest serving Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies.
He formed today's Liberal party, by today's standards he looked a bit up himself, Churchill like he in fact was a statesman.
Here true Liberals will collect verbal rocks to throw at me.
Labor these days is much much closer to his Liberal party than the Liberals are.
This thread is not pro left, not about anti Liberal.
I want to highlight both sides are lost in intertnal contemplation.
Uninterested in voters, or even the basic platforms they exist for,
That room exists for a third force.
That I think that third force will be small l LIBERAL.
why? continued

Now, this morning and yesterday Liberals including past leaders came out and supported my view.
The party's right is leaving sections of its voters far behind.
[I see that pile of verbal rocks is getting higher] Liberal voters, in part want climate change action, want to close offshore detention centers but want the boats to never return
They some, never watch Sky/Fox, would choke before listening to our stable of unstable shock jocks.
Some Liberal voters are in fact Liberal in their out look.
You will see ScoMo TRY to appear to hear them, actions he has already taken, and will continue to, in relation to offshore detention will stun most.
He like Turnbull, must bend however to the owner of those news/propaganda channels and his own lost in space right, and never become the leader both could have been
The cat fight in a sugar bag fight for control of the government will continue