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Someone Had to Say It !

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How do you feel about what the colonials did to our Indigenous people?
Foxy,
Tell how you feel about it ? Tell how you feel about what many indigenous did to well meaning people who were brought here against their will ? Tell how you feel about the thousands of public servants who make life a misery for people who are victims of incompetent politicians ?
Australians have moved on although many are straggling behind the times hence do-gooders are still not acknowleging the massive benefits that come courtesy of blue collar workers.
If I remmber rightly, it was the do-gooders of the past 50 years who fought tooth & nail to restrict discipline & were the proponents of leniency in the sentencing of emerging criminals.
And, wasn't it the lot of Leftists who marched & demonstrated for free speech but now they're stifling it with PC ?
As you very well know the sabotage by the Left is now coming home to roost. Admitting it is the difficult part.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 18 August 2018 3:58:25 PM
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Indy,

The difficult part is to not think in terms of
general categories which enable you to make sense of
the world by simplifying its complexity. The difficult
part is to try not to see the world in very rigid and
stereotypical terms.

The difficult part is to stay away from vague and
sweeping statements and to not have negative attitudes
rooted in generalisations about groups of people in
the belief that they all share the same supposed traits -
thus ignoring the differences among individuals.

The art of reasoned intelligent argument without resorting
to labelling and insults is not something that's easily
acquired.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 18 August 2018 5:16:54 PM
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Foxy,
you certainly put a new meaning to the term 'answering a question:.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 18 August 2018 6:16:47 PM
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Foxy, I have to say you can not compare the huge numbers of Muslims coming here as migrants today with the handful who came 200 years or so ago.
The aboriginal family I married into had several Malay Muslim pearlers married into it and whilst they were Muslim they certainly weren’t very devout.
None of the Malay men in the north were, from what I have been told. They all married non Muslim women, their children were raised as christians, they didn’t keep to religious days like Ramadan and they ate non halal food, perhaps because nothing else was available. They all learnt to speak English very quickly and totally integrated into the local community.
There was no problem with Muslim enclaves forming, of wanting Sharia law, of polygamy, of child brides or the issue of religious clothing in public areas.
Same with the Afghan camel drivers, they married aboriginal women, just like the Muslim pearlers did.
What we are facing today in city areas is a totally different situation.
Posted by Big Nana, Saturday, 18 August 2018 6:17:42 PM
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Dear Big Nana,

Thank You for proving my point that we can't generalise
about Muslims - they do not all behave exactly the same.
Just as neither do Catholics, Jews, or any one else.
We need to allow for individual differences. People
are not all the same. I've stated several times in the
past on this forum that - when discussing migrants,
especially non-British migrants people are sometimes
tempted to lump all newcomers together and treat them as
one homogeneous species. Nothing is further from the truth.
Australian immigrants vary a great deal in their ethnic
backgrounds, cultures, religions (and the way they practice,
or not) and educational levels.

Their current social and educational needs are not homogeneous,
either. People have settled in Australia for various reasons,
economic, change of lifestyle, refugees, adventure, family
reunions and so on.

Also, I forgot to add that despite your telling us about
the 60% of Australians being in favour of a plebiscite -
on immigration - Fraser Anning's claim that the majority
of Australians want to see a reduction in the number of
Muslim people allowed to immigrate is not the case.

Research by Monash University has found that 80% of people
favour immigration policies that are non-discriminatory.
The study found that negative attitudes towards people of
the Muslim faith was less than 25% and only 15.8% of people
think religion or race should be a factor in deciding an
immigration application.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 18 August 2018 6:47:05 PM
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Foxy, it appears you purposely and intentionally try to direct your examples to a conclusion of your choosing.
Like most surveys.
I must remind everyone that even though I have had close ties to Muslims and lived and worked amongst them, I must once again alert you to a previous point, and that is; because we don't know who the bad ones are we cannot simply ignore the fact that they are amongst them somewhere, there MIGHT be those who would want to harm us or worse.
Now because we don't know who they are and because they have made it patently clear, through so many versus of the Koran, that they must kill anyone who speaks against Islam or will not convert to Islam, that we must take a different view of those in this cult.
I don't know who's good and who is bad, do you?
I also remind people that even though we have had a large number of foreigners come here over the many years, NONE,NONE, have displayed any aggression or malice towards us as much as we are witnessing today.
So,Foxy, Toni and CO. stop asking for proof, evidence and so on.
Firstly the theme of this Forum is OLOpinion! not OLFacts.
So as much as I love my fellow man, how stupid do you have to be not to protect yourself against an aggressor.
All previous immigrants had localised 'punch ups' in their early years of settlement here.
That is OK as the young bucks fought for their bit of turf.
But this, no this is completely beyond the pale.
This cult has already warned us then it has shown us, what will happen.
I don't have any ideas as to what to do, but I tell you what, someone had better and had better implement it quick.
We must be strong and stand fast against the do-gooders and the like.
They are a very large part of the problem.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 18 August 2018 9:46:46 PM
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