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Loudmouth thanks for your feedback.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 22 July 2018 12:18:35 PM
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Heckle and Jeckle hey...
I used to like that cartoon when I was a little kid.

Why is Loudmouth getting all bent out of shape?
All Ive done is laid out facts that cannot be argued.
Is he trying to take it out on us because he believed the narrative?
Well that's more childish than I was in the days I was watching the above mentioned TV program.

Why do people argue for lies?
Why do we go nuts when our beliefs are challenged?

Well Joe,
No offense but you chimed in a little late and made yourself look silly.
- I already posted the links -
I already established that the Ukraine 'Civil War' was no more a real civil war any more than it was a US sponsored regime change.

How many innocent people lay dead for your US foreign policy Joe?

Anyhow I was going to move onto the next part.

Calling out the lie that 'Russia Annexed Crimea'

Let me tell you my opinion.
I think the main people screaming 'Russia Annexed Crimea', are the parties who were invested in trying to annex Ukraine for themselves.
Maybe the Ukrainians themselves are upset about losing a chunk of their country; but this is what happens when you let foreigners come in and set up shop to undermine the country like Soros did.
I wanted to find a video I watched some time ago where Putin reminds everyone of the facts, but I can't find it.

The bottom line is this, after the new Ukrainian Neo-Nazi government PROCLAIMED THAT SPEAKING RUSSIAN was against the law in the 'New' Ukraine, it was THEN that Crimea voted to leave Ukraine.
In a second separate vote they decided to join the Russian Federation.
The UN has a provision for people having a right to self-determination.

Russia didn't do anything illegal.
The US started it and they are the ones screaming when they screwed it all up, which is something they do fairly regularly.
The US plays checkers, Putin plays chess.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 23 July 2018 9:47:13 AM
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Trump, Putin, whoever the current movers and shakers are, none of them know about little old us and what we think about them, nor do they care. We don't have any influence on our own two-bit politicians, let alone workd leaders.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 23 July 2018 9:58:46 AM
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AC- Very informative analysis. Thanks.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 23 July 2018 10:11:18 AM
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Regarding MH17:

I don't know for certain who shot the plane down.
But I do know there are alternative versions, and that not questioning the alternative versions or shedding light on them just reeks of the same narrative-based reporting this conflict is already known for.

I can't remember all the discussed versions but there's one in particular I do remember, and to me it seemed possible.
- Though I don't know for sure -

The alternative version goes like this:
At the time of the MH17 event, there was also another report that wasn't given much attention.

It was a story about a Ukrainian jet that had taken off fully armed, but returned to base with one of it's air to air missiles missing.

At the same time Putin was known to be returning from Europe in his own Russian marked aircraft.

The Malaysian airlines MH17 had very similar tail markings to Putin's plane; the theory is that Ukrainian jet mistook MH17 for Putin's.

Is it possible based on all the facts?
I don't know.

The argument that Russia did it, is a little bit deceiving on face value. What even Loudmouth himself said was that a 'Russian' missile was reponsible;
If we are assuming the plane was in fact shot down with the BUK system, then it should be known that both sides were in possession of this system (If my memory serves me correct)

The eastern separatists may have shot down MH17 for all I know.
I don't know.

But to speculate that Putin did it on purpose is completely ridiculous.
There's no motive.
And do you think the US has never shot down a full passenger jet full of people before?
It has, in Iran.

Who in the hell sends a passenger jet through a warzone over former Soviet territory anyway?
Did they not think there were not potentially weapons there that were capable of shooting down planes?

Idiots.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 23 July 2018 10:14:44 AM
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Regarding Bill Browder Canem Malum,
Sounds like you have a basic understanding of things.
I haven't gone over everything entirely myself.
- I was just using it as an example of how the corporate media omits things to sell a completely different story -

Lee Stranahan offers a factsheet on his website for more info about Browder.
http://populist.tv/2018/01/20/bill-browder-links-and-resources-to-understand-controversy/
He works for Sputniknews.com however he himself always says to NEVER TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT.
He encourages you to find out the facts for yourself so that you wont say "I heard this from Lee Stranahan" but will instead say "I know these facts"
He runs a 'Citizen Journalism School' on his website and used to work with Andrew Breitbart.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 23 July 2018 10:39:22 AM
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