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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/19/craig-kelly-apologises-mh17-comments-russia
I haven't had the time to analyse the full story of Flight MH17 so I could be miss informed. My understanding- Malaysian airlines flew a plane over what they knew was a war zone which most or all other airlines were going around. Malaysian airlines is known as a cut price airline and presumably was trying to avoid extra costs. The plane was subsequently shot down by accident by people involved with the Ukrainian conflict. There is apparently a history between the Ukraine and Russia and this is related to a large ethnic Slavic population that they share. In the context of the cold war the US and Russia have conflicted over annexing of eastern block countries under communism- perhaps this is some of the reason for the US interest. The weapon found to be used in shooting down the plane was supplied by the Russians. Presumably part of the global arms trade that most advanced countries contribute. There has been some recent tension between Putin and other world leaders. Trump appears to be currently engaging in friendly diplomacy with Putin to normalize relations. Australia is often considered a close ally that could derail the diplomacy with undiplomatic comments. Craig Kelly comes along and diplomatically suggests that there is a time and a place for objection and he is attacked as being disrespectful not only by the MH17 Families but also by the wider community. My question- why is this reasonable?
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 20 July 2018 12:24:38 PM
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Well CM unlike you I absorbed every word about this and still do,at that time Russian was backing an invasion of another country, planes had already been shot down but who knew Russia was to send such a missile, in the hands of its paid butcher to murder, even if that was never the intent, innocent travelers? knowing only that, nothing more need be knowN, Kelly, unloved in his own party, should have known better,,, war crimes are NEVER JUSTIFIED
Posted by Belly, Friday, 20 July 2018 4:02:29 PM
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Hey Canem Malem,
Well this might be fun.
Ukraine is the standard for which I guage whether a media organisation is lying or not.
- And most of them sell narrative and conjecture on this issue.
- Deep State Lies -

It's surprising how many 'independent free press' journalists get this story wrong.
Accidentally or on purpose?

But there's 3 stories to tell.
1. The facts surrounding the war in Ukraine
2. Shooting down of MH17.
3. The facts surrounding Crimea

It wouldn't be fair to address the matter of MH17 without first getting the facts right in regards to Ukraine and Crimea.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 20 July 2018 4:31:37 PM
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Ok, so who let's see if anyone can get the facts right regards Ukraine and Crimea first.
I'm going to start my argument by stating that anyone who is unable to get the facts right regarding Ukraine and Crimea, probably shouldn't be speculating about MH17.

- It stands to reason that they may just as likely to get the MH17 story wrong as well.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 20 July 2018 4:57:55 PM
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//he is attacked as being disrespectful not only by the MH17 Families but also by the wider community. My question- why is this reasonable?//

"“And if that means some of the things that Russia has gotten away with in the past has to be slightly looked over, well, I am sorry. That is the price we have to pay, sometimes, to have good relations going forward.”

Most Australians don't think it's OK to turn a blind eye to human rights abuses so that we can lick a Russian despot's arsehole.

You might understand that if you were Australian, and not a Russian troll.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 20 July 2018 5:40:41 PM
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I don't know what Craig Kelly actually said, and I am not going to take any notice of an hysterical media. Kelly is one of the very few politicians I would pee on if he caught on fire, so I choose to think well of him.

The families of the victims are unlikely to ever recover. But, the rest if us should get over it. There is nothing to be gained by dragging the incident out. It's done. Over - for anyone not directly affected.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 20 July 2018 5:45:14 PM
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