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Gun Ownership and Violent Behaviour

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"Egg on Face Time"

"John Edwards, the man who shot his two children dead last Thursday, was able to pursue his handgun training because he was granted a so-called “Commissioner’s Permit’, overriding red flags raised by his answers on declarations about his background.

It is understood this permit reassured officials at the St Mary’s Indoor Shooting Centre that Edwards could legally undergo handgun training - the first step to getting a handgun licence and then a permit in NSW - despite his answers on a declaration form raising flags in the system.

"With a history like his there is no way he ever should have been given the Commissioner’s Permit," said Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MP Robert Borsak. "Whoever did it, whoever it was who did the double check and the triple check on [Edwards] somehow failed on this occasion."

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/john-edwards-granted-commissioners-permit-to-begin-gun-training/ar-AAzQqcs?ocid=ientp

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/11/killer-of-teenage-children-got-gun-permit-from-nsw-firearms-registry

I was wondering why David Shoebridge of the Greens was quiet on this whilst other antis were waxing eloquent in their desire to use the tragic murders of the children to their own advantage; seems David was wise or got a tip-off.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 1:18:09 PM
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Issy, the only ones with egg on face as you put it, are the gun freaks who have campaigned continuously over the years to white ant gun laws, The same fools who claimed gunnies are all good law abiding folk. Something you yourself have claimed many times on this form.

How about those idiots at the St Mary's Gun club who were teaching Edwards the finer art of hitting the target (his own bloody children). Are these blokes proud of themselves, contributing to the murder of two more innocent kiddies!

When I first started this thread, before these horrendous murders were even committed, questioning the mental state of gunnies, I quote myself;

"should Australia be concerned that not enough is done to determine the mental state of those who in the first instance apply for a gun licence, and then their ongoing mental fitness to hold such a licence." 02/07/2018
HOW PROPHETIC WAS THAT STATEMENT?

All you could come up with was stupid smart ass crap about the bloody spelling of the word Maryland!

"Do be a good lad (paul1405) and get a free Spellcheck or, better still, Grammarly (which is also free and gives one a weekly progress report!)"

Issy think about it, you now look totally stupid!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 8:25:43 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

You wrote;

“It is understood this permit reassured officials at the St Mary’s Indoor Shooting Centre that Edwards could legally undergo handgun training - the first step to getting a handgun licence and then a permit in NSW - despite his answers on a declaration form raising flags in the system.”

They were under absolutely no bloody obligation to admit him into the club at all. This was something this club, owned by you and others, made a conscious decision to do. Others had knocked him back because first impressions flagged him as a problem. You lot said 'look here we have a waiver so come in spinner'.

Your membership of that organisation makes you culpable.

How about instead of working so hard to protect men's 'rights' to own a gun you look at your responsibility to the wider community, especially our kids, and promise to take it seriously for a change.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 9:07:50 PM
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A Commissioner's Permit overrides all, the blame lies with whoever issued the permit.

Why don't you tell us all, Steele, how the gun laws have been weakened as you claimed?

There is egg on faces particularly all those who have tried to use these murders to further their ratbag attacks on law abiding citizens.

You wanted licencing of firearm owners and now that it is proving to be a success you rant about there being too many.

Reap what ye sow.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 9:17:57 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

You wrote;

“A Commissioner's Permit overrides all, the blame lies with whoever issued the permit.”

Absolute A grade rot.

Is that how your organisation works? Are you really saying that the permit forced St Mary's to welcome him with open arms? Not on your life. They were under zero obligation to accept him as a member yet they did. Two kids now lie dead as a result.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 9:33:07 PM
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Hi Steele, I suspect you could turn up looking like Rambo, and some do, and you would be welcomed with open arms. If you told them you needed gun training to rid the world of the invading space aliens they would agree, and fast track you to the front of the queue, given the understandable urgency of the matter. That's how it works Issy, you would agree.

Issy, how is your club member Wild West Willie going? Is he in the nut house yet, or still playing make believe cowboys with real guns. Maybe you can put up another silly YouTube of that bunch of fruitcakes.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 10:12:37 PM
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