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Gun Ownership and Violent Behaviour

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If the gun freaks such as the SSAA had their way there would be no need for FAR. Just another bit of bureaucracy getting in the way of the boys having fun with their guns.

It was some years ago that the gunnies got the AVO disclosure requirements on a licence application reduced down to 1 year.

"*You must be able to provide proof of current membership of an approved target shooting club."

The SSAA has how many of these approved clubs in NSW?

Issy, are you saying if there is no known "red flag" against an applicants name then the good ole' boys down at the gun club will rubber stamp membership?
How pro active are SSAA gun clubs when it comes to prospective new members?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 July 2018 11:54:29 AM
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Well, Paul, at the clubs to which I belong the vetting is strict.

"Issy, are you saying if there is no known "red flag" against an applicants name then the good ole' boys down at the gun club will rubber stamp membership?"

Membership will not be rubberstamped, it's a thorough process and, with most clubs, a black ball from a member finishes any hope of membership.

There is probation before a licence can even be applied for, the granting of the licence is up to FAR and is also at the discretion of the Poice Commissioner.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 9 July 2018 12:42:31 PM
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G'day IS MISE...

Yeah, it's always been a problem. Police consigned to these sorts of areas, are often undertaking rehabilitation from long term 'sick reports' where there's not much physical activity required. To impute there's a certain vocational lethargy or languor attached to the area, is probably unkind. Add to that a chronic shortage of staff, low morale among the Public Servants, and a few other police specific 'grumbling', doesn't augur well for a very efficient Branch within the Department. Still during my time there, we all tried to do our jobs efficiently.
Posted by o sung wu, Monday, 9 July 2018 1:12:36 PM
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//Well, Paul, at the clubs to which I belong the vetting is strict.//

Strict? In what regards, that could be a very loose term. It seems the SSAA operated St Mary's Gun Club have a different interpretation of "strict".

The State Government has finally spoken on this matter. Given their buddy buddy relationship with the Australian chapter of the NRA of America, aka SSAA, don't expect too much.

"If there's something we need to do sooner we will." Stating the bloody obvious was Primer Berejiklian.

Minister Troy Grant will enter into cries talks with Police Commissioner Mick Fuller today. Lets hope there's not a lot of platitudes, and no action.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 8:28:40 AM
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Paul,

"Strict? In what regards, that could be a very loose term. It seems the SSAA operated St Mary's Gun Club have a different interpretation of "strict"."

Do you have an insight into the procedures used by the St. Marys Club?

Do you know how Edwards presented?

Why have you nothing to say about the statements that FAR had told some clubs not to approve Edwards but apparently did not tell other clubs?

After all, most club Secretaries can be reached on their computers and all that it would take would be a few minutes of someone's time.

" The State Government has finally spoken on this matter. Given their buddy buddy relationship with the Australian chapter of the NRA of America, aka SSAA, don't expect too much."

One hopes that there will be a thorough investigation and that it will be factual based and not emotional.

I see that you are still pushing the US NRA and SSAA delusional link; does this mean that you have come up with some evidence, or is it just the usual Green fantasy?
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 9:49:37 AM
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Issy, I will concede, if FAR did inform some and not others, you would thing a group Email would be all that is required, then that is gross negligence. I also put some responsibility on the gun club itself to exercise due diligence when taking on a new member. A call to FAR and police would not go astray as well, to do some back checking, after all it is the club that is bestowing privilege on the person seeking membership.

How about the way gunnies give advice to those with AVO'S, I did put up some quotes you did not respond. I'm getting the impression the whole gun mob are an old boys club, with macho values, and if that be the case they should be a-holed complete and have nothing to do with licences. That wild west mob you posted, well they are a screw loose and they hold gun licences.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 11:33:49 AM
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