IF we had to answer what single thing bought about the rise of the right, ultra that is, in America and even here it would in my view be fear, fear of change migration, refugees but change, racism has many names,but as we who are appalled by that must sit and watch as it grows even more, the EU will see much more of it, BRITAIN is leaving the EU in the end over it in the end it remains my view faith not race that divides us

Foxy,

Clearly following the logic of an argument is (deliberately?) problematic for you so let me try to make it simpler for you.

Indubitably Trump's earlier policy was different to Obama's. But since the Executive Order cancelling separation, his policy is the same as Obama's (and the same as Bush's, and Clinton's and Hillary's for that matter).

So the issue becomes whether you (and SR) now support the CURRENT Trump policy or do you condemn it AND the Obama policy.

Now I know that this is an unthinkable problem for you and your like since condemning anything done by the Obamessiah is untenable.

So here are the options:
* condemn Trump and Obama.
* agree that Trump's policy, like Obama's, is acceptable.
* obfuscate, play dumb and avoid the issue.

pretty sure I know which way our Foxy will jump.

BTW how do you feel about women being raped while in detention under Obama's rules? IT'll be fun to see how you excuse Obama for that.

mhaze,

Inter-acting with you is like playing chess with a pigeon.
He knocks over the pieces, craps all over the board, then
flies and joins his flock and declares victory.

All you have to do is Google the issues on the web and you'd
find out that Obama in 2014 took a mostly punitive approach
to border crossers. Whereas Trump in 2018 took an entirely
punitive one. Obama was reacting partly to circumstances.
Trump was reacting soley to his own desires.

Both Presidents prosecuted many border crossers but Trump's
"zero tolerance" policy created family separation. Trump made
separating families a matter of standard practice. Obama did
not.

However, it's not really about what Obama or Trump did -
(even though Trump is blaming everything on everyone else as
he always does - including the Democrats). What matters now
is the question - what will Trump be allowed to do in the
future?

If you need more information - Google the issues for yourself.
It's not all that difficult.

keep up with the Enlightenment
Loudmouth,
Taken on board.

Dear Foxy,

Unfortunately, you can expect mhaze to cling to that tidbit for the rest of his OLO life. You see, mhaze's position on just about every topic is so vacuous that he needs to cling to every little slip up that he perceives his greatest opponents to have made.

Note the word 'greatest' there. He doesn't do this for people whom he believes he can discredit the arguments of easily. Here's the little gem he though (after many, many years) he thought he finally had from me. Until, that is, it blew up in his face spectacularly:

mhaze: "… people who think that the nuclear family only came to prominence in Australia around 1940 monumentally fail that test” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7880#243942)

AJ: “I have now quadruple-checked my source, and before the 1940s, extended families were a small majority.”

mhaze: “So far you've offered no evidence other than a link to advertisement for a book which I found at Mitchell and which said nothing of the sort of what you claimed.”

AJ: “The information to which I refer starts at page 168 of the book. Here, I’ve uploaded a scan for you:

http://i.imgur.com/2Eav0GI.jpg”

mhaze: “No, no. Previously you told me that the book had several pages of information that supported your assertions.”

AJ: “Firstly, no I didn't. That was with regards to something else: … Secondly, since when did, ‘only one page’, mean the same as, “... nothing of the sort of what you claimed”?”

The man is demonstrably a liar. Just ignore what he says.

I note that runner cites Alex Jones at Infowars as a source for his allegations.

Jones claimed that the Sandy Hook massacre was a false-flag operation using child actors and will soon be in court defending himself.

He also claimed (among other things) that the US government was behind the Oklahoma bombing, that the moon landings were faked and that Hillary Clinton participated in the sexual abuse, murder and cannibalism of children as part of his promotion of the nonsensical Pizzagate conspiracy.

He's an anti-vaxxer, an anti-Semite, a Chemtrails believer, a mysogynist and claims that Obama (among many other things) controlled the weather to create and direct cyclones as weapons.

He's a ranting lunatic and that alone explains the way that some followers think and the things they want to believe, in spite of all contrary evidence and plain old common sense.