Thanks, Belly. Yeah, I often enjoy how a thread goes off-topic - this one goes from the inhumane policies of the narcissist Trump to Maori wars and trade. I hope we keep it up, it's a hell of a way to learn :)

Cheers,

Joe

SR,

Dear oh dear. Logic is in short supply with this one.

To prove to me that I'm wrong to think that Trump's policy on detaining illegals is the same as Obama's you give me a long commentary by Fauxcahontas about her trip to the said detention facilities. Not a passing attempt to show that the things are different now to then. Somehow, laughingly, that makes sense to you.

One of the places Fauxcahontas visited on her big day out was the Port Isabel facility....

"In early 2010, detainees at the Port Isabel facility went on staggered hunger strikes for two months to protest what they claimed was a lack of medical care and legal help. That same year, a study released by the advocacy group Texas Appleseed alleged serious problems with mental health care in Port Isabel and other detention centers, and a former security guard published a memoir that detailed still more abuses, including guards raping female detainees.....
Jennifer Harbury, an immigration lawyer based in the Rio Grande Valley who has clients in the detention center, said detainees are not allowed to touch each other because some of them have been charged with violent crimes. There are no private bathrooms, or even dividers between individual toilets, she said, and meals are often baloney and cheese sandwiches with fruit punch."

All the cages that so distress you were already in place by then.

2010. You might need Foxy's renowned research skills to work out who was president then.

Hi Mhaze,

I think you have me mixed up with someone else: I've never written about Elizabeth Warren. But your last quote bears comment: are you suggesting that, because she is, as you suggest, a fake Indian, therefore whatever she writes is fake too ? My limited understanding is that, under Obama, 'children' over there age of, say, fourteen, were indeed separated from their parents (for how long, I don't know) and that this equates to, or is worse than, Drumpf's separation of babies from their parents ? Perhaps you're right - teenagers may often feel as devastated by such inhumane actions as babies do and if so, then yes, Obama's policies were as vile and inhumane as that turd, Drumpf's.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth wrote:
"I think you have me mixed up with someone else"

My post was addressed to SteeleRedux(SR). So no confusion on my part. Have you just outed yourself as being one and the same with SR? Otherwise I can't understand how you possibly made this error.

"are you suggesting that, because she is, as you suggest, a fake Indian, therefore whatever she writes is fake too ?"

No. There's nothing in my post to suggest that. Nor do I suggest that what she wrote about the detention camps was wrong. I was simply pointing out to SR (and Foxy) that the camps Fauxcahontas was complaining about existed earlier and were accused of being hell holes during the regime of Obama.

Mhaze,

Me and SR being one and the same ? God forbid ! I'm sure he/she would be appalled at such a dreadful accusation. Yeah, my eyes play up at times.

Joe

All people have to do is Google the topic.

There's plenty on the web that explain the differences
between what happened under the Bush and Obama
administrations compared to what's happening under the
current President's administration. You don't need to
have extra-ordinary research skills to get to the facts.
However trying to cover up one's weaknesses with
compensatory strategies - don't really help in the long term.
Someone is sure to expose the lies. As Mr Trump's administrators
are beginning to learn.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/