runner,

I'm not familiar with what the Premier of Victoria said
however I'm not sure how that would relate to my husband
and children and all the suggestions you're making
regarding them? I think you're just stirring the pot.
That's not a productive way of arguing. It only encourages
more negative retorts.

However I did read some comments on the web that people
have made about the brutal rape and murder of that young
girl. This one I thought was fair enough:

"When young men are tragically killed in one punch attacks
an entire city has its nightlife shut down indefinitely.
When a young woman is brutally raped and murdered
women are told to "take responsibility for their own
safety."

Most women and young girls already do that. And certainly
the young raped and murdered girl
did according to the news reports.

So if only there was someone else police could also ask
to change their behaviour. Men, perhaps?

BTW: If me and my family you consider as being "Progressives,"
(Thank You). What does that make you and yours?

Foxy you seem insulted that I suggest the men in your life need further educating in the trearment of women. Obviously they don't but you seem to agree with the broad statements of feminist groups who are deceitful enough to push this barrow. Grandstanding by the likes of Daniel Andrews and others simply make matters worse. Of course young women are extremly stupid if they don't take proper actions to protect themselves. I live in an are with a lot of crime. I should be able to leave my house unlocked. The police would be the first to tell me how stupid I was if I did. Demanding my right to leave the house unlocked would encourage not deter the druggies in my area. How much more valuable is the life of a young girl than my house being broken into?

runner,

I don't agree with any vague and sweeping generalisations.
That's why I try to give exact quotes and references, links,
and sources.

Of course women take proper actions to protect themselves.
They've done it for years (including learning the art of
self-defence). And so did the young murder victim. She
carried her keys and a mobile phone with her.

However, how about men taking proper actions to ensure that
crimes like rape and murder don't happen, so women shouldn't
have to be so concerned about protecting themselves?

After all isn't a young girl's life worth that effort?

Progressives by halucination, progressive regressors by nature.

In an age where babies are murdered daily in women's wombs Foxy I don't whether murder outside the womb and rape will be stopping anytime soon. People who for decades argued against the need for fathers, that porn is harmless and we are evolving into more moral beings have added greatly to the problem. One wonders why no vigils have been held for the 2 and 3 year olds raped in Indigeneous communities over the last couple of months. Not even sure if your abc mentioned it.

Some comments confirm even underline we do need to change SOME humans behavior, any effort to blame the left, if you must brand every one you do not agree with left/progressive, seems to prove my point