I jumped in on this thread,see my facebook feed is full of men hating women,right now even my party, Victoria, is getting in on the act, see, tell me? no true, how many men do not share my HATRED? OF THOSE MEN who rape and murder? who bash their wives? few in my view!I have watched a woman, brutally! bash and mentally harm two partners, do I hate all women,? the true answer is SOME HUMANS are not human,educate them all their lives, but telling the police not to warn of the danger? opportunistic junk from a few who need help!

Sad part is that the porn and violence that the regressive left argued was so harmless is now producing its natural fruit. They are still dumb enough to tell young girls its their right to walk city streets at night. The same regressives have allowed and encouraged much Islamic immigration. Look what is happening in Europe. Meanwhile the average dad is demonised.

Feminist orthodoxy says that men's violence against women is part of a bigger pattern of sexism in society. The basic idea is very logical; while people responsible for their own actions, we also need to ask about the family, community and society that produced that person.

However, it has a few problems;
- It is too simplistic. It takes a complex collection of trauma to create a killer. No one ever killed anyone because they watched one too many episodes of the Footy Show or saw a few mates make crude jokes. The men who are the problem aren't going to change because they see their favourite footy team run out with white ribbons printed on their jumpers.

- Feminists also have this associated idea that says that men are only influenced by other men, so women have no responsibilities. This idea is self serving crap. They can be very traditional when it suits them.

- They can be prepared to generalise about men, based upon the actions of a few, but would never tolerate people doing that to women.

- If every bit of sexism is a part of a continuum that includes rape and murder, they can start to lose perspective. They seem to have more hated for someone who comments about a rape victim's skirt than they do for the actual rapist.

Alright, let's talk about being practical. What are some basic steps to avoid the kind of death that occured to that young celebrity? What should be a means to stay safe? I agree with Big Nana that we can't correct the world we live in. That's a bigger issue then we can face on our own. But like locking our car doors, and removing the keys out of the ignition we can take steps to avoid certian situtions, or to discourage harm from being done.

I'm sick of seeing a tragedy be used to further a political platform, expecially if that platform does nothing to address or fix the issue. So instead, don't let go of the hurt and sadness that this death invokes by just saying "men need to be better." That is it's own political stance that is not going to produce any results except an opurtunistic rise in support for a cause, while leaving the actual crime at bay.

Instead, of going down to politics, supporting on issue or standing against another, let's talk practical measures. What can be done to keep women safe? What can a woman do for herself? After all both sides of this conversation admit that there is responsibility in ourselves to put ourselves in a dangerous sitution. So what can be done to avoid that sitution?

Practical things like not going out alone at night, and strength in numbers.

Honestly, don't let this tragedy turn to political fuel. What are practical answers and practical solutions so this doesn't have to happen again. Or at least lessen it's chances.

We can and must look for answers, just talking about men or women bringing this on them selves is never right, just as slamming every man/women is not,yes a culture exists that highlights sex, both sexes use it, however surely rape and murder are separate?courts in my view rarely mirror community expectations in verdicts ,the victim, the fear horror should be the voice heard not long lines telling us what a bad life the offender has had

Dear Big Nana,

Thank You for raising this as a discussion.

There are so many good ideas and suggestions being
brought forward. Hopefully the voices of reason will
be heard. We must try to stop tragedies from
happening again.