Loudmouth, I have to say it.
Personal attacks or praise are off topic.
If one says 'kudos' or 'good for you' or 'I agree', they are 'on topic' their praise or condemnation always has a connection to topic.
If I agree with someone I give them praise but I also like to add reasons why, so it does not appear that I am sucking up to them, for no good reason.
You see, even this comment is on topic, as it involves the 'changing of human behaviour'.

Foxy, that's OK.
I only thought that as some of US on OLO can be a little more forceful than is generally appreciated or warranted by some more sensitive commentors, I genuinely thought that QUORA was abetter fit for you.
I was not sending signals, just that it can get a little heated here some times, and I know that QUORA, much to my frustration, won't stand for it and censure the most ridiculous comments, to the point of dis-belief.
Are you aware of QUORA?
Have you heard of it before?
I'm just curious what others think about it.
I suppose it could be said that this comment constitutes the changing of human behaviour, or at least an attempt to.

Hi ALTRAV,

Thank You for explaining.

I have used quotes from QUORA in the past on this forum.

However, I have so many friends here - people that have
become like family to me. I love them all and because
I've been here for so long I can't imagine going any
where else really. Also - don't get me wrong - I don't
expect all of us to agree with each other - goodness me,
that would be simply an echo chamber - and totally boring.
My only objection is the nasty personal assumptions that
some make - and the personal attacks that go with them.
That lowers the bar for everyone. No one likes or supprots
an illogical and abusive debater - and as I've learnt myself,
I have to try not to react - if the right buttons are pushed.

My views are not set in concrete - and I have learned so much
from people that I initially have not agreed with - people
like - Shadow Minister for example, Banjo, runner,
individual, and even ttbn.
They've all made me take another look and try to
see things from their perspectives.

Anyway, Thanks again for taking the time to bother to explain
things to me. I do appreciate it very much.

Dear ALTRAV,

Why filth?

Well for a couple of reasons.

Firstly you talk about her “matters into her own hands”. It wasn't her hands around her throat but those of her killer while she was brutally raped and strangled to death.

It was not her fault, IT WAS HIS.

Secondly you do not dispute you felt she needed punishing. This was what the rapist thought. He was not content with brutally raping her but decided to take her life as well. He obviously though she was little more than a maggot and that it was of little consequence that she was killed, made to pay for her sins.

To a certain degree these are your thoughts as well aren't they. From what you have related to us on this forum it isn't a far stretch to imagine you being a danger to this woman if you were there on the night. Now granted you may have played it up a little for the audience, you certainly are immature enough to do such a thing, but your misogyny drips from nearly every post.

So far I've read only a few actions that can be used to deter this kind of crime. One of them I don't think got very much attention though. Why not pay for a taxi service for women out at night.

If you want, do what's done in my home. Here there is a problem with drunk driving, so to fight off that ongoing accident, there's a shuttle service for students put on by students to take people home who've had a few drinks. It's volunteerily done and I'm sure there's a wait time to be picked up, but it's better then nothing.

If you all want to do something simular specifically for women at night, or for those who don't drive (possibly for the good conscience of being responsible and not driving drunk) then maybe it's time to sort out your own shuttle service put on by volunteers. Put an effort to the project and push for people to take part in it. Maybe talk to a university campus to start the effort.

Are there any other practical solutions besides a demand for more people to talk about the matter? So far I know of only a few brought up. Women staying safe, traveling in groups, not going home alone, parents teaching their kids to be safe, and taxi services paid by rich politicians.

Seriously, if this matter actually matters what are some practical solutions. Go on a limb and be creatively outrageous if nothing else. It might help motivate other options that are more reasonable.

Enough bickering and politicking, this is a real issue to sort out.

While it is my view offenders should never be released remember that may see them always kill just to stop evidence being given against them, yes we do need cultural changes, and no not defending men here, but some women too need to reconsider a fact, rights are no insurance against becoming a victim,our near neighbor has a women's bus, and we call it a third world country? no man may ride on it, maybe an answer can be found there?taxi rides home funded by who? drinkers maybe.even then not ever woman would use that service