The men,don't have to do anything.
We don't have to change.
We are quite happy with who we are.
We don't need to 'have a discussion'.
We all know what the problem is.
All this started when parents started pumping their daughters full of unrealistic tripe, because they didn't want to alienate their precious little pansy.
Too many moronic parents today want to be 'friends' with their children.
WRONG!
You are a parent!
As such, no-where in the book of parenting does it say, just because you are gutless and lack the stones to do your job as the adult, and therefore the authority in the family; does not mean you take the easy way out and facilitate your children turning them into what we see out there today.
I am incensed by the notion that the men have to somehow change their very beings to accommodate some mis-giuded arrogant low moral, low minded females, because they say so.
As much as my detractors want to talk me down, they cannot justify the modern females lifestyles and attitudes.
It appears that when females started pushing for equality, they began from the most unsavoury end of the spectrum, because I have yet to see them act like women, soft spoken and gentle of nature and demeanor.
So stop denigrating men and start lecturing and punishing women for their careless and reckless lifestyles.
The men have that one sown up and it is their domain not the females as we are witnessing the net result of trying to be something they are clearly NOT designed to be.

Dear foxy,

You are the only reason I am ever forced to read ttbn's posts and you really need to stop because even that is injurious to my sanity.

We all know how he hounded Belly away in his earlier guise. Toxic all round.

Ignore him and he becomes just a less likable version of runner. Yes that is indeed possible.

Dear Steele,

I don't think it was this guy who hounded Belly off.
I'm rather suspicious of some one else who's recently
returned as a new member under a different guise and
I wanted to warn Belly to be careful. Because there's
definitely a stench of the ocean around him.
But I could be wrong of-course.

Anyway, thanks for the warning. I shall tread carefully
from now on. Dogs are dogs - and sooner or later they
bite - and you recognise them for what they are.

ttbn, don't let the detractors drag you down and away from the light.
ie; Don't let them drag you off topic.
It is their way of attempting to point score.
I remind one and all to stay on topic.
To not do so only weakens your position as it shows a lack of factual fodder, so instead the MO is to deflect and try to win a side point off topic.
The way to approach these detractors is to respond with a question demanding they,
A; stick to topic, and
B; forcing them to respond, and in doing so, they have get back on topic.
I have to say how disappointed I am when I see someone actively coaxing someone to respond off topic.
'Look in the mirror'?
Off topic, therefore moot.
Keep quoting facts and not opinions, and you will win the day every time.

Dear Foxy,

Speaking of unsavories...

Dear ALTRAV,

Damn mate you really are a classic case of a deeply misogynistic, likely psychopathic, but kind of endearingly simple individual.

The top 5 traits of a psychopath are; lack of guilt/remorse, lack of empathy, lack of deep emotional attachments, narcissism and superficial charm.

Charm? Well four out of five aren't bad.

So let's explore how your mind would have possibly worked when if it had been you who saw her walking alone at night. Part of you would have been stirred at the thought of the possibility of a “soft spoken and gentle of nature and demeanor” women needing your protection. But then other thoughts would have crept in. Wasn't she exhibiting a “careless and reckless lifestyles” by being out and about after midnight without a male accompanying her? This wasn't her “domain”. She was likely a “mis-giuded (sic) arrogant low moral, low minded female”. One who would “started pushing for equality”. One who would refuse to “stop denigrating men”.

So ALTRAV how would you have decided to “punish” her?

Mate this is not a good look.

Dear Steele,

You have stuck to the topic