I think that most Aussies will agree that taxation without representation is a fundamentally undemocratic notion. If you want to bar women from the political process, I think the only way you'll be able to sell it to the voters is by making them exempt from tax. That way there's no unfairness.

But somehow, I can see you having a whinge that it's unfair that women don't have to pay any tax while the all the poor victimised men do.

It seems you're roundly in favour of taxation without representation. But I don't think anybody else is. So feel free to keep beating that drum for as long as you like, but I don't think it's going to do you much good.

//With time and determination this illness spread, turning women into females//

Some readers may find this an odd idea, but history does record that prior to 1831 it was actually the case that there were no female women in the general British population. It was all cocks in frocks, I'm afraid. No wonder ALTRAV yearns for the good old days ;)

The only females at that time were to be found in a small community in Cornwall, perfecting the art of tea-making for future generations. We owe them so much.

//I think what is probably the most annoying part in all this is the continual push as if there is some kind of urgency or evil thing they are running away from.//

Yeah, that thing they are running away from would be the attitudes of neanderthals like you.

//Unfortunately as long as people, mainly men, shy away from confronting these terrorists, it just makes it unnecessarily harder for the rest of us.//

Well you keep up that confronting, sport. You're doing a really great job there. Any day now, a little light bulb is going to go off in everyone's head and they're all going to start agreeing with you because you're so awesome and wonderful and clever and the world really does revolve around you.

To Foxy.

I should explain how woman activists that I have met have put their causes before the people around them. And that the cause was more important then several other things. A college teacher at one point teaching a lesson about history went on a tangent about how evil men were throughout history. The class was fine up to this point then as a student I realized men were not welcome in that field of study. The cause of woman's rights looked back throughout history was a reason to keep men from having a say or a stance in current studies of that topic.

This perhaps is just one misguided sociology teacher on a bad day. Except that this kind of experience is repeated in most interactions I kind among women activists. One friend married a woman who fought for her causes on Facebook and probably other social networks; from police brutality, gay rights, women's rights, or even to the accusation that all white people are racists (even her) and all men are sexists. (We have to point this out to the world or it will never change kind of thing). Watching this I found a close study of a woman who wanted to have a cause to fight for. To have herself involved in something to scream at the world about, as some other women have done to get their causes that they supported to be acceptable in years past.

The problem is that those causes in years past were worth while. Women voting, and having equal pay for the same job. Now a days it seems that some activists like to get involved in the struggle glorified about in the past and fight for any cause they can get a hold of. And if challenged or told differently, at least this woman was willing to drop anyone and any friend that did not agree with her cause of the month. A decent amount of strain on her husband's friendships through Facebook, and I think strain on their marriage as well. (Their now divorced).

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These are two cases of the activists being someone I've met or known personally. Yet even these are not alone. In the cases of so many other causes I see a culture to silence and shun any man who says different from what the socialite activists are fighting for, and a much better demeanor (though sometimes still ugly) towards other women that disagree. On abortion it's "another man to tell women what to do with their bodies." On most anything else the response is to degrade the people in disagreement. Just as you had done in your post earlier. "They probably live with their mammas, scratching their asses and lacking vitamin D."

I've seen this approach towards both good men, and men that might fit their descriptions. It's therefore a worthwhile note to know what side effects being an activist might do to you. What's in your culture to guard yourself against. Or what reasons there might be to try a different approach or even to leave the causes alone.

Foxy, you sound like a good caring woman by your posts. Someone who sincerely wants to help the world around you. So I'm sorry to give merit to the arguments given against women activists here, but they do have merit. Be careful, and don't follow into the same traps.

Toni, it's a shame you waste so much time making no sense and going off topic, the only relevant part of your otherwise irrelevant rant, was the last paragraph.
Thank you, finally I'm starting to get through.
Seriously, my comments can't be that far off track because all I have seen is deflections and abuse but not one single sensible syllable challenging my comments with serious mature responses.
My radar is telling me, based on your attitude, you must be a female. If so then it will explain your stance.
If not, then you have issues.
As for your comments knocking the 'good ol days', if you were a viable reasoning person back then, you will remember how much better it was, for many things.
Also you give me far too much credit if you say they are running away from me and my kind of people.
Again your accolades are wonderful, thank you.
I try to put up truthful and rightful examples.
The fact that the gender challenged brigade happen to hate themselves and who they are, is not due to me but a mental disorder.
So don't waste your time bagging me, because I love being the centre of attention, and give me clear and viable, mature replies to my comments.
Please?

ALTRAV- Toni Lavis is a man I believe (Antonio). I believe you are refering to fourth wave feminism not earlier versions that Toni Lavis was using to deconstruct your comments.

Dear NNS,

I understand where you are coming from. I have
seen things in my own workplace at times that some
women can be too aggressive - and use the wrong
tactics to try to get what they want. They end up
achieving not very much if they use the wrong approaches.
But I can also understand the reasons for their behaviour
as well.

This is not about the problems with "feminists" past
or present. This is more to do with the inequaties
that still seem to exist all over the world.

For example, -

In 2014 women in full-time employment in America were
paid, on average 79% of the incomes paid to men.
That's despite huge rises in women's education and it seems
according to reporting in November 2015 - that it will take
over 100 years for women to be paid the same amount for the
same work. This reflects sexism in hiring practices,
inequality in maternity and paternity leave, glass ceilings,
hostile work environments, the cultural expectation that
women not fight for pay rises, occupational segregation and
women's work being undervalued among other things.

Or lets take women being threatened with death
for talking about gender inequality in video gaming or beatings
in real life. Or the fact that one in six women will be the
subject of a rape or attempted rape in her lifetime.
Or the huge numbers of people who filed official complaints
about sexual discrimination in the workplace and that women
file 82.5% of all sexual harassment complaints.

And the list goes on. That is why it is rather disheartening
to hear from some men that misogyny and gender discrimination
don't actually exist. It explains why some women are so active
towards fighting for their rights.

I have a very strong and
supportive family. Personally, I've not
had to fight for my rights. I have been lucky enough to have
been given all the opportunities that I've ever gone after.
I've got no complaints. I consider myself very fortunate.
However, I do understand where some others are coming from and why.