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Dying For Nothing

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Neighbours cannot do “anything they like on their side of the fence”. In our society, their are by-laws and common law protecting us from neighbours. Israel’s neighbours are pelting them with missiles; they often fire rockets; they tunnel under the fence; they want Israelis to move or die. There are rules and regulations dealing with your right to peaceful enjoyment of your property. Given your thoughts, AC, I would not like to live next to you.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 7 June 2018 8:49:56 AM
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Dear individual,

You wrote to AC,

"Terribly sad figures indeed. Do you have any graphs that show which side instigates more conflicts on a daily basis that bring about the reprisals that result in this terrible toll ?"

Sure, let's start with the side which determinedly rips away any future of a Palestinian state by continuing a program of destroying Palestinian homes and encouraging their own citizens to illegally settle on the resultant cleared land.

What do you think of a father who endangers his family by forcing them to accompany into a militarily occupied area to appropriate land stripped from the removed inhabitants who are then moved into highly controlled ghettos? Is he at all responsible for putting them in harm's way?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 7 June 2018 8:58:14 AM
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Nothing was "ripped away from Palestinians" who could have had their own state 30 years if they had accepted Israel's simple desire to exist. But of course Leftists in the West also deny Israel's right to exist and blame them for everything, anti-Semitic blockheads that they are.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 7 June 2018 9:37:28 AM
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SteelReedux,
Was there ever any compansation paid by Israel to the Palestinians for the land ? Sort of what Australians do on a perpetual basis for the indigenous Australians.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 7 June 2018 9:47:53 AM
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Hey individual,
Do you have any graphs that show which side instigates more conflicts on a daily basis that bring about the reprisals that result in this terrible toll ?

No, but obviously provocation comes in many forms.

If you are insinuating that both sides are equal, then I must remind you that one side is living under occupation.

Hey ttbn,
Yes we do have by-laws, but of course I was actually talking about two seperate nations, not neighbours in the same country.
And yes there are rules and regulations for neighbours but only in the same country.

I'll meet you halfway though, and say that for people to be good neighbours they need to have mutual respect and ethics in how they treat each other.

Of course good neighbours shouldn't be
pelting each other with missiles; they shouldnt fire rockets at each other; or tunnel under fences; or want their neighbours to move or die.

But Israel did just decide to create its nation there in 1947, with no consideration of the existing people living there. And they went about it wrong to begin with, stealing land, poisoning wells and crops in an attempt to run these people off their land.

And you can't be that angry at Palestinians for being hostile and unfuriated or tunneling under the fence, it's not like you split the country in half across the middle and share equal waterfront access, Israel put the damn fence around these people, then it provocates by messing with them, burning crops, turning water off, and killing them indiscriminately; and then keeps on moving the damn fence to take more land.

Ultimately, the basis for creating Israel in 1948 is questionable in that the people calling themselves Jews are Zionist Khazars, and not descendants of the Tribes of Israel, and the Balfour declaration stated 'Nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine...'
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 7 June 2018 10:35:22 AM
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Dear Steele,

Thank You for going to so much effort to explain
your position to me.

I have always wanted to visit Israel and the
Middle-East. However I guess by the time it will
be safe to do so - I shall be too old.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 7 June 2018 11:47:04 AM
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